Even as an atheist, I can't stand these types of organizations. "American Atheists", "Freedom From Religion Foundation". They are an embarrassing misrepresentation of what it means (and what it doesn't) to be an atheist.
I can't find it Jeffery
I think the shooter’s actions testify to the meaninglessnessof life without God. This man was despondent enough to come there with allthose bullets and those sandwiches, and throw his life away. He didn’t valuecarrying on in a normal manner for the rest of his life, but was willing toflush his future down the toilet because of a political disagreement. If thisman had God in his life, he would have valued his life (to say nothing of thelives of others) too much to do such a thing.
I just discovered this page. I just wanted to let Christians know that not all atheists agree with American Atheists. In fact, I have publicly criticized them for their ads.
Looks like the billboards are coming down: http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
Catholicism is as much Christianity as any other sect, please remember this. Also, lets distinguish the act of an individual from that of a general belief set or a group of people, lest we confuse Fred Phelps' clan with Christianity or Baptists in general. Let's be sure to call out those who specifically promote hate, discrimination, ignorance, and intolerance to be be sure. But lets do so in a less angry and uninformed manner.
"Atheism is dead, and the volume at which you proclaim it is in direct correlation to your ignorance."
I don't think the atheist movement is growing. Unfortunately, they are organizing and that isn't good. What percentage of the population is homosexual? I wouldn't imagine it is any where above 5% but look at what an organized 5% of the population has accomplished since the early 1970s.
They have indoctrinated a generation to believe that two men or women not being able to get married is the equivalent of what Black people went threw in the civil rights movement.
"The Liberals accuse the conservatives of being hate groups, yet they themselves are the real haters."
Both these stories show the hypocritical mind set of liberals. They have been chomping at the bit to find a crazed shooter who they can tied to conservatives. They have a kneee jerk reaction whenever there is a mass shooting blaming the tea party.
ABC news's Brian Ross pointed out that there was a Tea Party member with the same name as the movie theater shooter in Colorado. They blamed the Tea party the minute after congress woman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in Arizona.
After it was clear the the lunatic in Arizona was just crazy and wasn't interested in politics, they changed their attack plan. The shooter wasn't motivated by conservative politics this time but one day a crazed shooter could be motivated by conservatives rhetoric. Therefore, the rhetoric needs to be toned down.
The definition of toning down the rhetoric means conservatives need to shut up until they can blame a mass shooting on conservatives. After that, they can dust off the 2000 page bill that is locked away in a liberal think tank's desk that ostensibly bans conservative speech.
The media/ liberal standard is when a person who is bat crap crazy goes on a shooting rampage it is assumed that they are conservative and a conservative political ideology is to blame.
In the FRC shooting it is clear that the shooter was motivated by politics. The shooter was planning to go on a shooting spree and drop a bag of Chick-Fil-A next to each victim. By their own rationale they should be blaming liberals for the shooting. They not blaming liberals and they are barely covering the story.
Atheists accuse Christians of being hateful, bigoted, and divisive and then put up giant billboards calling Christians stupid. Christians are so stupid they believe an image of Jesus that is burned into a piece of toast constitutes evidence that Christianity is true.
The majority of atheists appear to be liberals that blame Christianity instead of conservatives or people who are insecure about their intelligence and believe that joining the Atheist club automatically makes their IQ go up by 50 points.
People have the right to choose Atheism, Christianity, Mormonism, Catholicism or whatever belief system they want. No one group-Atheism-has the right to force their beliefs on the rest of us and attemp to shoot us because we don't believe the way they do. There is a special place in Hell created by God for false teachers. You will learn of this soon enough if you stay on your current path.
I'm generally a liberal person but I'm also a devoted Christian. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay-rights, I believe in evolution, and I support a separation of Church and State and a freedom of belief. However, I hate how we have unsophisticated jerks like David Silverman promoting this freedom. For example, he said on the Bill O-Reilly show, "People know religion's a scam". Really? That's like a Christian saying "You know Christianity is true, but you'd rather sin". That's not an argument! That's "Atheist evangelism". We have people like Craig, Plantinga, Swinburne, etc. who devote their lives to defending their beliefs, and he just shoves them off as deluded idiots with no arguments? That's pathetic. Second, he can't understand the difference between a separation of Church and State and the elimination of the Church. For example, he wants to get rid of the cross at the 9/11 site because it promotes a particular belief. It's not promoting religion; it's a historical artifact. It's a sign of how people came together after the tragedy. The only people who find it offensive are angry atheists. And they accuse religion of dividing people? Lastly, he is extremely rude and dismissive. Atheists need to get this idea out of their head that insulting religion is OK. It's not.They may have a legal right to do it, but not a moral right. I say this, not just as a Christian, but as a religious person in general. I'm not OK when Christians insult Muslims, Jews, or even Atheists. We want to encourage discussion with each other, not shove each other away. I'd love to see Craig hand his ass to him in a debate. He deserves it.
Absolutely. You know Silverman's arguments would consist of junk like 'there is no scientific proof', 'we just don't know' etc. etc as every other person says. In the face of a tidal wave of logic and reasoning, the atheists hide behind these non-arguments, it is just embarrassing. I watched pretty much all Dr. Craig's debates and I was so embarrassed at the arguments from my fellow Brits and the idiotic and infantile questions from the students and educated folk. 'Who created God?' is a favourite, as if that is some profound question that puts an end to the debate. I mean come on guys. Prof Wolpert (another fellow Brit) was pretty bad, towards the end of the debate he started saying he believes in a computer in the sky, he then proceeded to remove all the attributes of a computer and replace them with God's attributes. When Dr. Craig pointed out that Wolpert was describing God, the look on Wolpert's face was priceless. Prof. Enqvist was no better, he simply refused to debate along the topic given, and said 'vee simplee downt knoe wort thur begineeng loookd loik. Thur queschun meens noething to mee.' Prof Dawkins cowardly chickened out of a debate, shameful. I read his book 'The God Delusion', it was terrible, just terrible. They had to get a panel in instead, none of them were able to refute Dr. Craig's arguments, they just rambled on incomprehensibly about other things.I'm a Christian and I would do a better job debating professor Craig than the experts he faced over here.Atheism is dead, and the volume at which you proclaim it is in direct correlation to your ignorance.One thing seems clear after watching all these debates. Atheists start with the belief that God does not exist. They then work out a system in which there is no need for a God, be it a multiverse or whatever. But all the arguments they come up with in order to achieve this end goal get wilder and wilder and more and more desperate. It's like they are all dropping LSD. They simply refuse to believe in a God but look ridiculous trying to prove otherwise. That is not the search for truth because in the search for truth you have to be open to all possibilities. It is as foolish as the person who believes in God without reason. Even Anthony Flew before he died recognized that there must be a God. Why? Because he was open to all possibilities in his search for truth and he went where the evidence led him. I left Christianity years ago, it took a lot of convincing and research to bring me back.To the atheists I would say, open your eyes, stop denying the obvious truth. God does exist, he/she/they is real. Investigate it.
It's not too hard to fend off such atheist hate when one has actually gone to church and even read just a little of the Bible. However, there is a generation of young adults who never went to church or read the Bible who might take the new atheists to heart. I've noticed first hand that a fact isn't a fact anymore. It's who screams their opinion the loudest who is correct. Opinions are becoming fact now.
I'm surprised that Dr. Craig didn't mention that the shooter was heavily influenced by Nietzsche:
"The Washington Post quoted Allan P. Chan, a former George Mason student, as saying he lifted weights and socialized with Corkins. Chan said Corkins was secretive and somewhat odd, and displayed an intense interest in the 19th-century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, according to the Post." (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/...
When one is taught that human value is absurd then are we surprised when one has the 'courage' to carry out these acts? Nihilism may not 'necessarily' follow from atheism, but it's certainly a possible conclusion. Atheists need to own up to it.
The Liberals accuse the conservatives of being hate groups, yet they themselves are the real haters. When I get involved in Campus Crusade for Christ at my college, I want to try and set up a debate with Dr. Craig and American Atheists president David Silverman just so I can see him get demolished by Dr. Craig.
"after a billboard like that, so defamatory, and nasty and negative; who in the world would want to join American atheists?"
Atheists, particularly the angry new atheist variety.
I enjoy listening to these talks.
Thank you Bill for commenting on these incidents.
Receive our free Newsletter
Get Dr. Craig's newsletter and keep up with RF news and events.
Get the free Reasonable Faith App for iPhone, iPad, & Android!
Scholarly ArticlesArticles published in peer-reviewed journals
Popular ArticlesIntended for a general audience
DebatesSelect transcriptions of Dr. Craig's debates
Q & AWeekly question and answer
Video / AudioDebates, Talks, and Interviews
Reasonable Faith PodcastConversations with William Lane Craig
Defenders PodcastClass on Christian doctrine and apologetics
Defenders LiveLivestream of Defenders Class
Current Events BlogAudio commentary on current events
Copyright Reasonable Faith. All rights reserved worldwide. Reasonable Faith is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.