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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: How to ask about God or Christianity.
« on: February 25, 2016, 07:31:27 PM »
I think Socrates wanted to know the answer to the questions he asked.

How does your post meet its own criteria or maybe it's not intended to?


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Maybe the OP was about the situation where a Christian says "I don't feel God any more" and concludes God doesn't exist.

Although the Incarnation is a fact claim it was unverifiable at the time. This makes it different from the Resurrection which was verified by the disciples at the time since they recognized Jesus after he had died on the cross.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Guilty Pleasures
« on: February 25, 2016, 07:14:31 PM »
Well on a Christmas theme I leave the tree and lights up after Twelfth Night until I really notice the days getting longer.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: A Good Old Days (GOD!) topic
« on: February 25, 2016, 07:11:41 PM »
Quote from: bdsimon
why does this make me uncomfortable?

Note that I'm not taking a sex is bad attitude to this, though I would be wary of having it as a reading if young children were present to avoid the following:

Child's question: "what's a whore mummy/daddy"?
Parent's answer: "ask your father/mother" !

The sin Ezekiel is really highlighting is unfaithfulness not extra marital sexual activity.

What I found off putting was the repetition over and over again of the words "whore" and "whoring". Couldn't Ezekiel have made his point and then moved on. He seems to revel in using the word over and over again.

A later problem in the passage:

And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before. Ezek 16:55

The context does not seem to indicate the distant future of a new heaven and a new earth. Rather it is a restoration that will happen at the same time as Jerusalem is restored after the captivity. So how was Sodom "restored" when it's at the bottom of the Dead Sea?

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:14:51 AM »
neopolitan,

If you fill in the statement you are a taxpayer, it is the charity, not the taxpayer, who claims the tax back. I've said this once already.

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Donating through Gift Aid means charities and community amateur sports clubs (CASCs) can claim an extra 25p for every £1 you give. It won’t cost you any extra.
from https://www.gov.uk/donating-to-charity/gift-aid

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:09:56 AM »
grosso,

There would be a lot of variation between parents and we know that some parents don't treat their children well.

With state education, a lot of people contribute to it so it is less likely to be thought "bad" by most parents.
So if parents really want to educate their own children they can do but they should not reject being checked in the same way as state schools are checked.

In the UK, many private schools have a tax break charitable status if they give a few places to poorer children on scholarships. I'm not convinced this is a good thing. Good they give scholarships, not good that the gov't has to bribe them to do it.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: A Good Old Days (GOD!) topic
« on: February 24, 2016, 05:37:45 PM »
Architecto,

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Why is there no freedom of thought about this?
Why doesn't this really mean "why don't people here agree with me?"?

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it was just some guy writing his political thoughts
Except he said "thus saith the LORD" to people who took that seriously.

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The Bible is not accurate history
It's not all history so which bit are you thinking of?

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 24, 2016, 05:24:23 PM »
Isn't the state just made up of persons?

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There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain.”
― Plato's Republic

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giant bureaucratic entities with coercive powers
I went to a state secondary school with 600 pupils, great teachers and a charismatic headmaster. Yes there was the Dept. of Education behind it, but I don't agree with this picture of a huge coercive monster. Of course, if you want a narrow curriculum which only teaches stuff you believe in or like then maybe you come up with that image. But in practice I don't think it applies. If the parents limit what their children can learn couldn't that do them a disservice? They will grow up to choose their own way.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 24, 2016, 05:13:20 PM »
Quote from: bdsimon
Maybe consider it in light of Ezekiel 3.
I'm trying to encourage people to explain why they refer to a particular passage, with reference to what the passage says, rather than just throwing a reference out and expecting others to join up the dots.
Sure, in plain English I was doing my watchman diligence in giving you a warning. In light of the Matthew 25 passage it is incumbent upon the individual to help the needy. Ezekiel 3 gives us a warning that if we see others sinning it is our duty to point it out. I am not sure if you were sinning or not so I asked (you said I was bragging about my giving or trying to compare) and pointed to the relevant passage (Matthew 25). I hope that helps.

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I've already explained why I don't think Christians should publicly describe their charitable giving.
I wasn't asking you to describe anything. I was asking you to examine yourself.

Whether I am "helping the needy" I thought you meant i.e. giving to charity.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 24, 2016, 02:35:52 PM »
FBJ

Why are you equating bragging about giving to charity (as per Mt 6:1ff, pse look that up) and claiming charitable deductions? I'm not making that connection and I don't agree that there is one.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: A Good Old Days (GOD!) topic
« on: February 24, 2016, 02:30:42 PM »
This the same whore as in Revelation 17. Seems to all fit as is desribed in Ezekiel.

In Ezekiel it's unfaithful Israel, in Rev 17 it's Babylon/Rome i.e. godless society.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 24, 2016, 01:54:59 PM »
Quote from: bdsimon
Maybe consider it in light of Ezekiel 3.
I'm trying to encourage people to explain why they refer to a particular passage, with reference to what the passage says, rather than just throwing a reference out and expecting others to join up the dots.
Sure, in plain English I was doing my watchman diligence in giving you a warning. In light of the Matthew 25 passage it is incumbent upon the individual to help the needy. Ezekiel 3 gives us a warning that if we see others sinning it is our duty to point it out. I am not sure if you were sinning or not so I asked (you said I was bragging about my giving or trying to compare) and pointed to the relevant passage (Matthew 25). I hope that helps.

???

I've already explained why I don't think Christians should publicly describe their charitable giving.

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pat1911,

I've heard about the Japanese editing of WW2 history. I've never been there so it's hard to be sure of the truth of the matter. They do have a non aggressive foreign policy which they have kept to. Germany of course have gone through a lot of soul searching over WW2, Nazism and the Holocaust, though there are still neo-Nazis -thankfully a small minority!

This wikipedia page indicates that the issue is not as clear cut as you may have been led to believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been in a place or situation where a news event is taken place, seen it for yourself and then you see it on the news and it seemed like they were at a totally different event?I have a couple of times. I have also seen things for myself. The things I have seen for myself are always more convincing than reports of those things.
My point is this, it is fair to question what I am saying and you don't know my sources so you don't know if what they say is true or not. I happen to trust them. I have known them for quite a while and they are some of the coolest, truest human beings. You don't know them and you don't know me, so it's reasonable to doubt, I would too.
I believe what they said to be true. I am certainly not going to take a Wiki page over their personal experience. Personal experience is always better. When I can get a personal account, I take it.
Most of what I know about the world, came from seeing the world. And you cannot beat seeing it for yourself.

I'm not doubting you or your friends. Theie evidence is anecdotal and I'm surprised you don't acknowledge that. Also as Americans you and they are going to be defensive about what America did. Bad things are done in wars by the winners and the losers but the winners write the history not the losers.

I'm sure there would have been cases where British soldiers shot their prisoners for reasons of expediency: this applies to all the nationalities.

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i don't think you're being honest here. You have been offered a more humane option but you are refusing to accept it.

And what, exactly, is that option?

A negotiated peace.

What terms of negotiation are acceptable?

Did either side of the negotiating table ever offer such terms?  What were they?

America demanded unconditional surrender as a prerequisite for negotiation. There never was any peace negotiation before the bombs were dropped for this reason.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Jesus and the Republicans. (Off topic).
« on: February 24, 2016, 08:30:02 AM »
Quote from: neopolitan
I would actually like everyone to think about what they mean by charity, not just you.  But in this discussion you do seem to be one of the few thinking with their heads and thinking beyond surface issues.

Blow in my ear and I'll follow you anywhere!



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Any earthly benefit, be it renown or kickbacks or a tax benefit, would detract from the selflessness of your "charity".
Maybe your tax laws are different but the UK case I'm thinking of, only the recipient not the donor benefits financially.

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no ministry or department responsible for charity.
No single ministry but there is the Charity Commission: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission

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