JohnBee,"equal with God"
There is another instance where this phrase is used. Note that the words belong to the evangelist not to the Jews. Jesus had just healed on the Sabbath.This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Jesus frequently refers to the Father as "my Father" whereas he taught his disciples to pray "our Father". Jesus was claiming a special relationship with the Father not shared by mankind or even the Jews. In Jn 20:17 Jesus (speaking to the disciples) refers to "my Father and your Father
" rather than simply "our Father".
The previous 2 verses are pertinent:And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
Although it is recorded that God rested on the seventh day the Jews believed at this time that God was still "working" in what he had created.
So not only was Jesus claiming to have a special father-son relationship with God not shared by his fellow Jews, he was also claiming to not to be considered to be breaking the Sabbath in the same way that God does not break the Sabbath while sustaining His creation. As God was working until now so was His Son. Hence the accusation of "equality with God".Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64You have heard his blasphemy
Jesus claims to be the Christ, the Son of God (definite article present!) but also:you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven
where Jesus alludes to Dan 7:13 and Ps 110:1
I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.
Note that it has already been shown that the Aramaic word for "serve" (and its Hebrew equivalent) is used exclusively in the Bible for serving God
The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
This refers to King David's "lord", a verse that is taken up in Hebrews chapter 1. Jn 1:18 refers to Jesus as "the only begotten God" (μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς
) so Jesus is described as the Son of God (begotten) and as God. Hence in the case of Jesus it is possible to be both the only begotten Son of God and to be God.
It's interesting to note that Jesus called the Father "my God" when speaking to Mary Magdalene in Gethsemane without a definite article
("God of me") whereas Thomas uses the definite article: "the God of me". This lays the ghost of the importance JWs etc. put on the absence of the article in Jn 1:1. Taken as a whole Jn 1:1-18 clearly teaches that Jesus is both Son of God and God.
their notion that God alone can forgive sins was in error.
it was in fact well founded in the scriptures that Jesus treated as authoritative:“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.
Is 43:25 ESV
David taught that sin is only against God even though he was confessing both adultery and murder in Ps 51.
Given the limited scope of this account, there is little in way of knowing for certain what Thomas by his exclamation. Though my inclination tells me he was likely overwhelmed by the experience of seeing and touching the holes in Jesus' feet, and thanked Christ and his God in response to that.
It is so sad that JWs and others attack the integrity of this passage ignoring the fact that it is part of God's inspired word which is not intended in any way to be deceptive. John was inspired to include this passage so to mount an ad hominem
attack on Thomas is completely out of order. Thomas was also an apostle chosen by Jesus.
as it causes people to substitute the worship destined for YHWH toward Jesus ... That is to say that we need to worship Father YHWH as the One True God through his Son Christ Jesus
This betrays a basic misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Trinity since YHWH=Father+Son+Holy Spirit