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Archived => Teleological Argument => Topic started by: UnreasonableFaith on November 13, 2016, 04:42:56 pm

Title: Universe is fine tuned for the existence of stars, therefore Helios exists
Post by: UnreasonableFaith on November 13, 2016, 04:42:56 pm
Did you know that if you slightly changed our physical constants stars couldn't exist?

I think it's strong indicator of the existence of some solar deity which designed universe in such a way that stars can exist. I'm not sure which one should I choose, Helios sounds good, but Horus is cool too. What do you think?
Title: Re: Universe is fine tuned for the existence of stars, therefore Helios exists
Post by: aleph naught on November 13, 2016, 09:12:56 pm
Helios is an ad hoc explanation of the existence of stars, but God is not an ad hoc explanation of the existence of embodied moral agents.
Title: Re: Universe is fine tuned for the existence of stars, therefore Helios exists
Post by: Atheist in Louisiana on November 14, 2016, 04:20:05 am
Did you know that if you slightly changed our physical constants stars couldn't exist?

If you change certain physical constant, stars (as we know them) couldn't exist.  You could reduce the effect of dark energy to anything lower than it is (maybe even including some negative numbers) and stars would still form, just like they formed in our current universe.  You could also increase it some and stars would form.  Aside from that, you could possibly change multiple constants and still get stars.  Increase the gravitational force and the rate of initial inflation and you'd get stars.  Heck, maybe you could change them all vastly and we'd still get stars, but they wouldn't be made of matter, they'd be made of dark matter, which then wouldn't be dark anymore.

Honestly, humans have absolutely no idea what could or couldn't happen in a universe unlike our own.  The physics of this universe may say that anything different wouldn't allow life to exist, but that's all based on our physics, which doesn't apply in a different universe.  The physics of Universe 2 could say that Universe 1 is not possible.  People who claim to know that the physical constants must be what they are or life couldn't form, are over reaching. 

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I think it's strong indicator of the existence of some solar deity which designed universe in such a way that stars can exist. I'm not sure which one should I choose, Helios sounds good, but Horus is cool too. What do you think?

Oh, I replied to the wrong part of your post didn't I?  My bad bro.

I like Horus.  He walks like an Egyptian.  Also, cats are the guardians of the underworld, so go get a cat.  And have it spayed or neutered.