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What is the religion of Dr. William Lane Craig?

I read that he is a protestant, but what denomination of protestant? What exactly? Also can you provide the source/link to your answer.  Thanks!

His religion is money.






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If you believe that there are parts of reality that objectively exist, then these parts of reality constitute facts about reality.
Analytically, these facts constitute "truth" or what is "true" about reality.

If individual beliefs correspond to the facts, then these beliefs are true.
If individual beliefs do not correspond to the facts, then these beliefs are false.

To verify a belief is to demonstrate its correspondence to the facts.
To falsify a belief is to demonstrate its non-correspondence to the facts.

If a belief is falsifiable, it means non-correspondence could be demonstrated.
If a belief is unfalsifiable, it means non-correspondence could never be demonstrated.

Revising your beliefs so that they do correspond to the facts is epistemically virtuous.
Maintaining your beliefs in the face of non-correspondence is irrationally dogmatic.

To claim "theism is verifiable" is to say "it is possible to demonstrate how theism corresponds to the facts."
To claim "theism is unverified" is to say "all attempts to demonstrate how theism corresponds to the facts have been failures."
To claim "theism is unverifiable" is to say "it is impossible to demonstrate how theism corresponds to the facts."

To claim "theism is falsifiable" is to say "it is possible to demonstrate how theism does not correspond to the facts."
To claim "theism is falsified" is to say "all attempts to demonstrate how theism does not correspond to the facts have been successful."
To claim "theism is unfalsifiable" is to say "it is impossible to demonstrate the non-correspondence of theism."

Argument from Correspondence
1. Theism is the belief that at least one god exists.
2. Theism either corresponds to the facts or it does not.
3. Demonstrations of (2) are possible.
4. Therefore, theism is both verifiable and falsifiable.





This is an extremely weak attempt at trying to render the current paradigm of theism to be falsifiable.

This has already been attempted by Hugh Ross [one of the unfortunate astrophysicists with a PhD who happen to be religious, although coincidentally? his PhD work excludes religiosity]

Hugh Ross has provided an extensive [albeit weak/nonsensical] attempt at creating a falsifiable theistic model, with 90 so called predictions.

RationalWiki/Hugh Ross: "Ross has even granted that Intelligent Design is not a scientific hypothesis and should not be taught in schools.".

Even Hugh Ross grants that the current paradigm including Intelligent Design is nonsensensical, and Gordon, what you've posted above falls quite short of the "rigour" Ross has tried to inject in his supposedly falsifiable model.




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Is this surprising?

University of Chicago study

It includes a link at the end to criticism of the study... appears to be highly dubious to try to claim much from it.

One thing I noticed is that the study seemed to be question-begging on whether a punitive attitude was a bad thing or not.

Did you read all of that criticism too, all the way to the end?




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Some atheist and agnostic mass-murderers:  They are WAY disproportionately over-represented compared to people with religious faith, even more so relative to people claiming to be Christians.

Stephen Paddock 10/01/2018 perpetrator of Las Vegas massacre killed 58 people and wounded 422, and the ensuing panic brought the injury total to 851.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, Santa Fe, Texas shooter who killed at least 10 people at a public school, described himself as an atheist on his Facebook page (May 2018)

Gabriel Ross Parker, shooter at Marshall County High School in Kentucky who murdered two people (January 2018)

Devin Patrick Kelley, perpetrator of the Sutherland Springs, Texas massacre at First Baptist Church, murdered 26 people (November 2017)

Chris Harper Mercer, Umpqua Community College gunman (October 2015)

Craig Stephen Hicks, perpetator of the Chapel Hill Shootings (February 2015)

Jared Lee Loughner, perpetrator of the Tucson Shootings (January 2011)

Seung-Hui Cho, perpetrator of the Virginia Tech masacre (April 2007)

Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer and sex offender responsible for the rape, murder, and dismemberment of seventeen men and boys (1978 - 1991)

James Oliver Huberty, perpetrator of the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre (July 1984)

James Holmes, perpetrator of the Aurora shooting (July 2012)[23]

Timothy McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was the main perpetrator in the Oklahoma City Bombing on April 19, 1995, which killed 168 people in the worst act of domestic terrorism in American history. Contrary to the popular and oft-repeated belief among liberals and the irreligious, McVeigh was not a right-wing evangelical Christian. In fact, McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic, but professed agnosticism.[24] His political beliefs were libertarian.

What does the list of religious shooters and bombers look like?

Too much to list here in form format?




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Suppose I meet a talking parrot who repeats what he hears.  I might think he's brilliant, but mere repetition doesn't prove that the bird understands what he repeats.  If the bird says the n-word when a black person happens to be in the room with him, it hardly that the bird is a racist.  The chimp and the bird may be behaving in a Skinnerian way.  They may be merely responding to stimuli.

Find a better animal for comparison. Parrot neuron count per body mass exists far under ape counts.

Remember, humans [with 8.6 x 10^10 neurons] are literally apes, and chimps are in that family, with [2.8 x 10^10 neurons.]

A parrot by comparison has 100million neurons, far less per body mass than families of apes.

1. Wikipedia/List of animals by neurons

2. Wikipedia/Hominidaie




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CasualCode,

There is recent evidence of atheists killing babies. Here is their headquarter:



Which interestingly resembles a Mayan temple of human sacrifice:



There is nothing new under the sun.

Who runs that organization? Atheists?

Also, here's some ironic information: "In 2011, the Guttmacher Institute reported that two out of three women having abortions in the U.S. identified as Christian."

Wikipedia/Abortion and Christianity



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CC,

Wretch provided recent examples, not ''the distant past''. Or do you consider anything prior to 2019 as ''the distant past''? The past is the past, be it recent or distant. Bolshevik atheists killed millions of Christians and destroyed hundreds of churches, so crazy actions have been taken by atheists. The Gulag Archipelago documents some of these actions taken by atheists. Then there is the eugenics of abortion where up to 2 billion babies have been killed by actions taken by atheists such as Margret Sanger.

''As an advocate of Birth Control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the "unfit" and the "fit", admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit though less fertile parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.''

Planned Parenthood calls her a ''hero''. I call her a racist eugenicist knowing what I know about her Negro Project. Again, crazy actions have been taken by atheists.

Does this mean atheists have been demonstrated so far to have orchestrated a larger degree of nonsensical actions, compared to theists?

Any recent evidence of atheists shooting up churches?




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This chimp can apparently:

scroll through instagram feed

like photos

watch videos

etc

Youtube/fox: Chimp caught on camera scrolling through Instagram




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No idea how you figure stopping the ChiComm criminal operative mega-Corp Huawei from infiltrating the communications systems of the free world will affect Android.  It merely prevents Huawei from further Android support.  Android is the OS of Samsung and many other non-Huawei enterprises. 

As far as your OP nonsense, please do start with the actions of the following atheists:

1. Bible God, some say he believes in himself, so he's a theist that killed most of the planet's creatures.[/i]

...an infinity of worse things...

x) Stalin

x Mao

x) Castro

x) Pol Pot

The Kim regimes of N, Korea

Those alone account for the mass-murder and genocide of over 100,000,000 during the 20th century.

You seem eager to smear Christian theists by trying to paint all theists with the Islamist terrorist brush.

Such disingenuous and intellectually dishonest argumentation is just hateful foolishness.

Why are you here?

1. What evidence do you have that Huawei is criminal as US implies? Has the Trump administration provided any actual evidence? Please research in the future, although I am aware you may not be in the business of following evidence.

2. Please follow the OP's guidelines. Present nowadays data regarding theists/atheists doing nonsense. Not the nonsense done by both non-believers in Christianity and Christians of the distant past.

I also fixed your list a bit.



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Hey I'm just checking in on you, CC. I hope you're well. Are you aware the article is satirical?

Yes, it is mentioned on the page: "This Poe is based on the very real story  Russia plans law to fine people £36 for claiming HIV and AIDS don’t exist as conspiracy theory spreads online and more than 100,000 people were infected with the deadly virus last year."




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Article: Iceland Fines People $36 For Claiming Evolution Isn’t True

Who is moving to Iceland with me?




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As part of my academic work lately I have encountered a slew of modern and new materialisms, ironically enough called "New Materialism" for which I am exploring the harmonization between these theories and enactive and embodied forms of cognition and consciousness.

Interestingly, most modern "materialists" these days depict 'matter' as essentially nothing whatsoever like the everymans notion of matter. Rather, the theory of nature that tends to emerge even amongst the most dyed-in-the-wool, anti-religious thinkers is one where mind, matter, meaning and life are somehow indissolubly intertwined in processual-relational fields which bear agency as part of their interactive dynamics.

So, as a question of personal interest, can anyone produce evidence that there is still a materialist who actually propounds the IMO simple and silly idea that nature is dead, dumb, meaningless particles which somehow, inexplicably, cobble together into minds? Because it seems like one of the linchpins of secularity, and the supposed corollary that human life is epiphenomenally dead, dumb and meaningless, finds no actual support even amongst todays proud and openly atheistic metaphysicians and philosophers.

As a top of my head canvassing of the worlds great thinkers, I find the idea seeming to germinate with Democritus' 'atoms and the void', appearing again as a bifurcation, not ground, of nature with Descartes and Locke et al, and perhaps toyed with by some existentialists (although to me their forays into metaphysics were far more nuanced and interesting than this).

Thoughts? Is there a thinker or theory I have missed, either ancient or modern? If you are an atheist, what do you think has become of 'matter'? Does it no longer matter?

Maybe, maybe not.

You should look into an atheist/scientific thing concerning purpose, called "teleonomy" with contributions from Dawkins. Teleonomy also has contributions from myself].

The teleological argument is not the only option available regarding purpose.




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With the recent shootings by theists, and also other quacky things done by theists, I begin to wonder, what is the likelihood that these crazy actions could also be taken by atheists these days?  In my search so far, that likelihood seems quite small, at 0.

It is May 20 2019, and would an atheist have done what Trump the theist has just done to America in the long run and Huawei just now? Not all theists are like Trump of course, but it does make me wonder.

So this thread will be a type of game. The game is that I'll post quacky events, and we'll highlight the main actors in these events. If theists start to be less active than atheists in quacky events in the next 5 years, I'll try to ship all of this thread's participants a gift from amazon or something.





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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Two (Quick) Dysteleological Arguments
« on: May 20, 2019, 10:28:24 pm »
Anthropic Version
P1. If (A) God exists, then (B) the Universe should appear to be designed.
P2. If (B) the Universe appears to be designed, then (C) it would look like a paradise for living creatures.
P3. Not (C), therefore not (B).
C. Therefore, not (A).

Transcendental Version
P1. If (A) God exists, then (B) the Universe should appear to be deterministic.
P2. If (B) the Universe appears to be deterministic, then (C) things within the Universe should appear to have some function or purpose (an implicit reason for why it exists).
P3. Not (C), therefore not (B).
C. Therefore, not (A).

I reasonably have zero arguments against a Creator; i.e. Science doesn't have anything to say in that regard, for it is outside of sensible discourse. [I often view the theist as a falsely confident/misplaced child, whose parents know the child is heavily mistaken, but continue to nurture the child anyway. The parents are atheists/science in this picture, tending to the theist's/child's musings that contrast science, but the child is still receiving the products of science like internet, games, supermarket food etc.]

Remember, one can write thousands of years of theology and arguments, but we need science [instead of feelings and opinions/religion] to build computers so that one may then argue on those theological musings online.




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