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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 16, 2021, 07:21:03 am »
It's a pity the Republicans now jumping ship didn't act against Trump a lot earlier.

Trump has always been a questionable character which is why I didn't vote for him in the primaries in 2015, or the election in 2016, or the primaries in 2019. I only voted for him in 2020 because outside of his character his policies have been rather good. Already we see Biden wanting to pass free $10K college tuition loan forgiveness, allow policies to encourage mass illegal migration, and pass a stimulus pf $1.9 trillion to bail out his Dem palls in highly indebt Dem states who handed out some lucrative pensions to get union support, etc. That's just the beginning of these  hellish policies rewarding the few at the detriment of the many who actually work and barely make it. So heck yeah I voted for him in 2020. No regrets. He lost and then his character was tremendously damaging. I hope the Senate makes it impossible for him to run again (other Republicans would support most of his policies).

I have no need for the craziness your party represents. Free money
 Woo.
Which is my party?

How did Trump do on healthcare or inequality?
What do you mean by how did he do? He drove down prescription drug prices and unemployment among minorities. Is that what you mean?

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 15, 2021, 01:47:58 pm »
A left-wing agitator at the Capitol has been identified,
I saw this earlier today and it made me wonder if all of the protests had some members of each group doing damage.
That's quite a leap, considering that this is one guy, out of a hundred who have been arrested.; and BTW - he's more of an anarchist than a leftist. See this.
Q'Anon Shaman has been at BLM protests so I did not think it was that great a leap. Remember, the assumption was that far right agitators were not involved in BLM rioting. And, it does not surprise me that this guy was an anarchist.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 15, 2021, 11:51:11 am »
A left-wing agitator at the Capitol has been identified,
I saw this earlier today and it made me wonder if all of the protests had some members of each group doing damage.

In other news, horn wearing guy wants a pardon. Reading this I actually felt like I was reading a parody article. Unfortunately, it is not.
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Watkins acknowledged, however, that his plea was unlikely to succeed. “Am I holding my breath thinking that Donald Trump is going to be sitting around going, ‘You know what? … What’s the name of that guy with the horns? Yeah … let’s give him a pardon.’” But “with Trump, you never know,” Watkins said. “He may say, ‘I want the guy with the horns.’ Next thing you know, maybe he’s represented by the shaman instead of Rudy Giuliani.”

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:17:30 am »

Isn't this evidence already in the public domain and so indisputable?
What is disputable is that Trump's Jan 6 speech directly led to the insurrection.  Counters to this claim:
1) plans were in place prior to Jan 6 to invade the Capitol;
2) The initial breach of the barrier occurred before the speech ended.

Personally, I don't think this matters. Trump spent 3 months loudly asserting he won in a landslide, there was the worst fraud in American history, and other such falsehoods. 
 
I think it both matters and doesn't matter. In regards to actual articles of impeachment it matters as they were built on insufficient evidence due to the rush to judgment and because it was the "go to the Capitol" speech that was cited as the words that led to insurrection. However, Trump has been sorta courting the far right loons the entire time because he knows he had no chance of winning without strong support from them. This is why his deonouncements and condemnations have been so wish washy. A normal person could have likely seen this coming and he is a dangerous man.

They should have taken their time and tried him for treason or sedition (if he had any knowledge and didn't act) rather than impeaching him for political rhetoric.

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Political Threads / Re: An unstable ex-President
« on: January 14, 2021, 05:04:29 pm »

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Political Threads / Re: FBI knew about plans
« on: January 14, 2021, 10:23:02 am »
Thank you!

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 14, 2021, 08:32:36 am »
My larger concern is that we just impeached a president without an investigation or hearings and more information about the attacks are coming out each day. So we have convicted someone without even really knowing what the crime is yet.

The impeachment is separate from the conviction.  Impeachment means something like accusation or bringing charges against the President by the House of Representatives, before it goes over the Senate for a trial for conviction or acquittal.
I fully understand what an impeachment is and how it works. Has there ever been an impeachment without an investigation or hearings before? I'm not talking about the trial in the Senate.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 14, 2021, 06:30:19 am »
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What's left is impeachment. Will this change the minds of any Republicans who feel "disenfranchised" based on the falsehood?  Probably not, but I don't see that it's going to make it any worse.
Could it make Trump worse? That’s my concern right now.
It might, and that is definitely a concern. My larger concern is that we just impeached a president without an investigation or hearings and more information about the attacks are coming out each day. So we have convicted someone without even really knowing what the crime is yet.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 13, 2021, 06:08:25 pm »
If he is guilty then he will go to prison. He would not be back after a felony conviction.

That might depend on how the Supreme Court would rule on the idea of presidential self pardon.

Impeachment can result in disqualification from holding federal office in the future.  As far as I know, a felony conviction is no guarantee that Trump can't run again.
I’m personally not a fan of impeachments without presenting evidence or holding hearings. It just doesn’t seem like a good precedent. It could be that Trump coordinated the entire thing or that he authorized the National Guard to assist Capitol Police ahead of time and they refused. We don’t really know because no evidence has been presented. It’s kinda ironic that you’re totally fine moving forward without it.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 13, 2021, 12:22:07 pm »
But, you then set a precedent by virtue of not taking any action against incitement of insurrection because you are afraid of how those who are already incited might react. Slippery slope. Trump could come back in 4 years and do some further incitement.
If he is guilty then he will go to prison. He would not be back after a felony conviction. The rush here is just a bad idea and will likely lead to violence. A thorough investigation detailing everyone involved and who knew is actually more in line with due process.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 13, 2021, 10:55:19 am »
If they're going to impeach him, they need to do it quickly -- since it is unlikely you can impeach an ex-president (legal gray area).  Although investigations are ongoing, there is enough evidence to know Trump is guilty of what he is being charged with: incitement of insurrection.  As far as "setting a horrible precedent to impeach for political purpose" I'd say that was already set with the impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998.
I think sending him to prison would suffice in lieu of impeachment once the evidence comes in and would likely allow an opportunity for information flow that would curb potential far right violence. Impeachment won't remove him from office so it's not clear to me why the hurry. He will serve out his term, right?

As for Clinton, I agree that it was politically motivated and the result of an exhausting investigation that was nothing more than a witch hunt. This time there is no investigation, just a conviction prior to all the facts coming in.

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Political Threads / Re: Sherman Antitrust Act
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:35:38 am »
I think web hosting is a legitimate concern since Parler has been shut down. If there are no other options then Amazon should be broken up just like Ma Bell. However, I will also say that I would much rather any  radicals be posting on Twitter their devious plans than on Telegram where the public and the government won't see it.

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Political Threads / Re: The U.S. Capitol
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:32:17 am »
Thanks for sharing. This rush to impeach Trump without waiting on all the details is not the best idea. The impeachment is really just going to be a symbolic spanking anyway, since it will not remove him from office. And we do not have all the evidence yet. Why the rush? If he participated in any of this planning he should be charged criminally and imprisoned. This is just setting a horrible precedent to impeach for political purposes and it will likely lead to more protests and violence and I'm sure retribution down the road when the seats are flipped.

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Political Threads / Re: Sherman Antitrust Act
« on: January 12, 2021, 07:00:20 pm »

I didn't know anything about Parler before this controversy happened, but IMO it was wrong for Apple to remove them from their app store. Seems to go against free speech principles, for one.
And Google from the Play Store and Amazon from their servers... Amazon is the one that might end up paying for that decision.

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Political Threads / FBI knew about plans
« on: January 12, 2021, 06:53:03 pm »
See link.

From the article:

The FBI warned law enforcement agencies ahead of last week’s breach of the U.S. Capitol about the potential for extremist-driven violence, U.S. officials said on Tuesday, contradicting earlier statements that they were caught off guard by the assault by supporters of President Donald Trump.

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