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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Current Affairs Thread
« on: March 08, 2019, 11:58:12 am »
I was thinking of this:

And this:


I'm in the precarious position of formerly being Catholic and not really understanding the nuances of protestant theology.  I started my journey with Ligonier Ministries so I have a well grounded understanding of reformed theology, but not much else very well.  (Though I am willing to learn.)  The Lord really got a hold of me these last few years and I've been blessed.  I have bachelors degree in Ancient Greek and Classics and I work as a Locomotive Engineer.  I feel a call to write for the Lord.  I love philosophy but I'm intimidated by how nuanced it can be.  (Especially after seeing Dr. Craig debate.)   I'd really like to learn philosophy beyond Aristotle with a guided hand in christian thinking to keep me grounded.  I'm thankful for what Reasonable Faith has done for me and my walk of faith.

God bless you all.


Perhaps it would do you good to take lessons in logic and to read Craig's book On Guard. Perhaps then you could advance from there? I would not do it too hastily.

Choose Your Own Topic / Re: How much time do you spend on these fora?
« on: February 25, 2019, 08:31:13 am »
How much time do you spend on these fora?

Click on a member's name to bring up their profile.  Then click "show stats" on their profile page.
Indeed. I knew. I should have changed the title to something else such as "Do you spend too much time on these fora?"

Choose Your Own Topic / Do you spend too much time on the fora?
« on: February 24, 2019, 01:28:50 pm »
Do you spend too much time on the fora?

Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Atheists, what moves you?
« on: February 24, 2019, 01:13:37 pm »
Any of you seen that scene in the movie Schindler's List, when he breaks down near the end?

Community Testimonies / Re: Saved, but not perfect
« on: February 24, 2019, 12:43:23 pm »
That sounds like a difficult road you have gone through. It has been a while, I see (approximately two to three years since you posted): how are you doing now?

Community Testimonies / Re: Testimony
« on: February 24, 2019, 12:37:45 pm »
Congratulations, holyfire. I shall put out a prayer for you. May God help and guide you.

Thanks for the encouragement, Natus. After the Thinking Atheist forum closed, many of the members fled to TTA Lifeboat, a forum created solely to keep ex-TTA members connected and to export material from TTA that Seth Andrews, the owner of TTA was unwilling to share after the forum shut down. Needless to say that decision made him extraordinarily unpopular. Some of us, myself included, had several years worth of posts that we wanted saved.

I have been debating posting my decision on TTA Lifeboat. I've no doubt it will come as a shock to some of my correspondents. But, maybe this was God's roundabout way of reaching some of them through me. I'm just grateful he did not allow me to die in my apostasy.


No problem, and I shall try to put in a prayer for you today.

I find the story interesting. Perhaps this Seth you write of has become a Christian (heh heh)? Is there any news (if you don't mind) about responses from that forum you mention? Who knows indeed? It may very well be that you are to shake them. Perhaps you will be a fisher of men in there.

No.  The will of others is always completely benevolent, and therefore no harm can possibly result from submitting to it.

You will now send me five thousand dollars.
I would (obviously) not mind that money, come to think of it. If the money has been sent to you, then send it to me, heh heh heh.

Hello, I'm a Catholic here. I look forward to this forum.
Welcome. May your experiences on the forum be good.

Presumption of Atheism / Re: Did Religion Hold Progression Back?
« on: February 18, 2019, 04:14:41 pm »
This is one of the many arguments I hear from a atheist. I want to know your thoughts on this. How did the Bible or Christianity responsible to hold back humanity from progressing in technology and all that?

I have gotten a comment on one atheist (I think he maybe one)
"And my honest opinion religion is holding humanity back, yes it also can help people I do not disagree with that. But consider the things we don't quite know yet and our drive to make discoveries its what drives man to always push forward. It seems like religion can never really go forward unless somehow someone sees a new translation. Let me make an example: Just watch a children's movie its used as a device to stimulate emotion and sometimes teach us an overall life lesson either about relationships, sharing or caring for others and the thing you would do for them. Its a method humans have evolved to stimulate our minds and help us deal with situations on a humanistic level. But we all know these emotions and lessons have derived from fiction and at no point any positive outcome makes the movie more real. The problem with religion is the translation of this learning technique has been lost and at some point someone said those stories were actually real. Because come on some of those stories are just very old methods of thinking but that learning from a story technique still very much works. I love religious people just as much as my fellow atheists and I never want to change someone just help them think for themselves. Some people put religion above objective/logical thinking and when that starts to happen religion is holding someone back. Yes you may think by opposing religion will lead you into endless pain of hell but I do not have that fear because I do not think it exists. But I think anyone who uses the technique of fear of torture to not let you judge him seems like the worst kind of evil to me."
Thats a response I got asking that question.

But I also like a christian response.
Just a quick response. (And I agree with some of the things kravarnik put. I am adding a few things or strengthening some of the things he has stated.)

If it concerns Christianity specifically -- and I mean real Christianity, not the abuse of teachings or power and the like -- then I do not see how it held back progression. (Look, e.g., for A. J. Schmidt on the topic.) Christianity has been responsible, wherever it spread, for seriously elevating the sanctity of human life. In most areas where Christianity spread, slavery was abolished. There was Christian opposition in Roman times against gladiator games, child murder, child abandonment and other such things, and Roman politics after some time outlawed such evils. In the fourth century hospices and hospitals came from Christians (inspired by Matthew 25:36). Women's rights were seriously taken care off, and they were allowed property. There was also the teaching of charity (St. Francis). Bishop Ambrose in the fourth century wanted the emperor to repent from his killing thousands, and stated that the emperor is not above the law. In the thirteenth century there was the Magna Carta (liberty and justice). Education: universities originated in monasteries. Christianity moved scientists to exploration, as they theologically thought that the world was ordered. There was also Christian progress concerning music (e.g., Bach). Anti-slavery acts (e.g., Wilberforce). What about the introduction of holidays? And even these days there is much good coming from Christian institutions or Christian charity acts.

In the West it was the belief in a Creator that spurred on science. Almost all the great earlier scientists were at least theists. Think of great names such as Francis Bacon (the father of modern science), Galileo, Kepler, Pascal, Boyle, Newton, Farady, Babbage, Mendel, Pasteur, Kelvin, Maxwell. These days in contrast there are atheist scientists who think they may tread upon the paths of natural theology, philosophy and so on, but who know hardly a thing concerning such topics.

Obviously there are forms of religion out there that may be seriously harmful if carried out. Let alone the abuse by certain holders of power (think, e.g., about some of the people representing Christianity, yet committing serious crimes).

Please pray that there is peace and health.


I've been seeking the lord for my Salvation.

I've been struggling with lots of seeking glory from men instead of the glory that comes from God alone and fear of men, unbelief, Pride/ Ego, Lust, Anger, Rebellion because of which, I not able to yeild to God and His righteousness and yeild myself to Christ (John 5:44)

PLEASE  pray to Lord Jesus for my Salvation! To save my SOUL. Please ask HIM to remove everything hindering my Salvation and that I may be truly born again by His Grace.

Please pray to HIM that I may truly surrender All of myself to HIM ONLY completely and forever and To let me trust in HIM alone To Save me, for the Lord JESUS to do HIS will completely upon me ,and to give me Eternal life and baptize me with the HOLY SPIRIT . Please pray to HIM to completely cleanse me of all my pride and self righteousness and all my sins and hidden Sins and to give me true repentance and humble me. To help my unbelief and give me true saving faith on Christ alone (Hebrews 12:2) and true repentance from Godly sorrow which leads to salvation and to remove all the worldly sorrow (despair, self pity, unbelief, etc) and cause me to be truly born again in CHRIST. To clear all my doubts & confusions & question and fill me with His truth Only and completely & that I may live by the Truth. And that I may be rapture ready.

Please pray that He would strip away All my Pride/EGO, arrogance and idols Completely and forever and deliver me from all my sins and bondages to sin, take all the confusions, worries, fears and anxieties away and point out everything in me that I'm ignoring or not able to see (Psalm 139:23-24). Please pray for the softening of my heart and removal of all indifference, to not let any indifference take over me and that I may always submit to the Holy Spirit and never resist or ignore HIM and harden my heart.

Albin Siby,

I shall say a prayer for you.

Trinity / Re: How is the trinity coherent?
« on: February 18, 2019, 02:45:17 pm »
There is no contradiction in the doctrine of the Trinity. Let us look at the two main propositions (and if I recall correctly, Robert in this thread also affirms this):

a       God is one (monotheism)
b       God is tri-personal

Where is the contradiction? I do not see any contradiction concerning the propositions a and b. There is no direct contradiction (e.g., (a & not-a), or (b &  not-b), or anything of that sort). I also do not see how one would imply falsehood of the other. The doctrine is that there basically exists one God consisting of three persons, and they are all divine, and we do not affirm that God exists as one and as three in the same sense.

It is by, the way, easy to think towards tritheism (three gods) or modalism (that one God revealed himself at different times with different modes, opposing the standard trinitarian doctrine). Both of these are normally rejected and not Christian doctrine.

Trinity / Re: is there any logical evidence that can prove the trinity ?
« on: February 18, 2019, 01:56:13 pm »
Hi everyone I am a Muslim in my discussion with Christians on Facebook the only argument for the trinity requires me to believe in the new testament and not Jesus wards but Paul's perspective  about god because I have much respect for doctor Craig and I hope to see some good arguments for the idea of Trinity THANKS
The Trinity is a affirmed as a truth of special revelation and not something to be discovered by reason. (See Aquinas.)

Should suicide be legal and why?

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No, suicide should not be legal. It must be, in fact, declared illegal.

I see at least two important general things in play: (i) legal law of the land; (ii) objective moral law. The former is the lower, the latter the higher. It seems that one must base all legal law, if there is legal law, on the higher moral law. Murder is morally evil. Suicide is a form of murder. Suicide is morally evil. If something is morally evil, then legal law should be against it. Legal law should be against suicide.

It is impossible to run a legal system this way, because there is too much disagreement about what the "objective moral law" is, if such a thing even exists. Or at least, you cannot run a legal system this way without being some sort of draconian authoritarian regime like Saudi Arabia with no freedom of religion.
I do not see how the argumentation in my previous post is not in order. Perhaps, since you at least seem to be disagreeing with something in there, you care to clearly formalize the argumentation I gave, after which you point out what's wrong with it according to you?

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