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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Potatoes do not exist
« on: May 20, 2015, 06:26:52 pm »
You realize that you went from questioning the existence of potatoes to the existence of all reality.  You do realize those are 2 vastly different questions, right?
Let's be clear: I do not question the existence of reality per se. I question the reality of things. I question the reality of potatoes and you cannot prove they exist.

Need I quote from the movie Lucy again?

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Potatoes do not exist
« on: May 20, 2015, 04:55:08 pm »
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What you call a potato has the texture and flavor of something quite different than what I would call a potato. I call it a "strawberry. "

What you see as evidence for the reality of potatoes,  I see as being evidence of a circumscribed point of view,  a point of view limited by the inabity to see beyond the obvious. You might call it empirical evidence;  I call it superstition -- an unwarented trust in the physical senses to tell you all there is to know about the world

Great, so we are making progress here.  So, what I call a potato, you call a strawberry.  Ok, so you accept that "strawberries exist" ?  Right ?
Wrong. Matter does not exist. It's all in the mind.

Meaning is a projection of felt values/experiences: strawberries for me, potatoes for you. Your felt values/experience can be described as something as bland as a potato, but I find that a totally inadequate description for my felt values/experiences. What you call a potato is, to me, a mere shadow of reality and am amused by your attempts to prove the potato is a substantial reality.

No, potatoes do not exist. But neither do strawberries exist in the sense that you say potatoes exist.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Parsimony and Inconsistency
« on: May 20, 2015, 03:06:28 pm »
Is it parsimonious to say God is unnecessary and then postulate an infinite number of universes to explain this one? Just asking.

I'd say so (though I'd question where an actual infinite number of universes can exist, without ruling it out).  Invoking God means either becoming an idealist, or adding a whole new ontological category and mode of existence to your worldview.  Multiplying universes just means having more of something we already know exists, and have little reason to think would be limited to exactly one.
Not much of an empericist, are you?  I mean,  if all knowledge begins with experience,  the idea of knowledge must be quite meaningless to you.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Another great talk from Keith Ward
« on: May 20, 2015, 12:28:23 pm »
No doubt about it. Keith Ward is a brilliant philosopher and a great speaker.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Potatoes do not exist
« on: May 20, 2015, 12:13:39 pm »
If I took you to the grocery store and picked up a potato off the shelf and showed it to you, would you then believe me ?  Or would you claim "that isn't a potato".

If the latter, which it seems many of you think accurately represents a skeptic (even though it doesn't), I would seek then to either define what the word potato meant to your satisfaction, or ask for your definition of a potato and then demonstrate how the thing that I just showed you accurately meets that definition.

If after that you still refused to accept that it was a potato, then I would question your sincerity.  After all, if we define anything, like X, and we say that X has properties X, Y and Z and then I show you something with properties X, Y  and Z and you still rejected it, then you apparently misunderstand the nature of descriptors, and at that point it becomes impossible to show you that anything at all exists, because you don't accept the idea of descriptive words.

What you call a potato has the texture and flavor of something quite different than what I would call a potato. I call it a "strawberry. "

What you see as evidence for the reality of potatoes,  I see as being evidence of a circumscribed point of view,  a point of view limited by the inabity to see beyond the obvious. You might call it empirical evidence;  I call it superstition -- an unwarented trust in the physical senses to tell you all there is to know about the world

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Parsimony and Inconsistency
« on: May 20, 2015, 11:52:21 am »
Is it parsimonious to say God is unnecessary and then postulate an infinite number of universes to explain this one? Just asking.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: The New Atheist Trinity is Unstoppable
« on: May 20, 2015, 03:08:19 am »
On a side-note, do people think that there may be a connection between having unqualified, outspoken 'web' New Atheist celebrities going on such tours and using such language to describe themselves (unholy) and the huge numbers of inane, superficial, arrogant, vitriolic comments made by atheists on the web?

I go to a lot of different websites - Christian, non-Christian, newspapers, news sources, blogs, fbook, ytube, etc etc  And without fail I come across scores of angry, arrogant, under-educated atheistic comments (after every story, on every site - even Christian ones) - far, far more than equally horrid Christian comments.  It feels sometimes like the web is drowning in New Atheist rhetoric.

Does giving such 'ordinary' people a platform just encourage such behaviour?

I don't know,  but technology does seem to make the simple-minded more vulnerable to simple-minded arguments. 

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Wonderer is engaging in a kind of equivocation and I think he knows it.  Any analogy breaks down if carried too far. In terms of physics,  the way it was intended,  the cloud analogy works fine. It's fair to say that human beings are just localized regions of dominant characteristics.

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Stop trying to make me a dualist.
Who?  Me?  I'm hardly a dualist and wouldn't dream of trying to make anyone one.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Argument against Infinity
« on: May 20, 2015, 12:41:51 am »
Ah.  Okay.  We just have to agree to disagree. Dualism isn't my cup of tea.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: The New Atheist Trinity is Unstoppable
« on: May 20, 2015, 12:38:06 am »
The sad thing is, he knows I was right. He's just upset because he was caught in his own game.

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Whew. I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

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Interesting video, but it's really nothing different than what I have discussed in other posts. A human being is a localized regions of dominant characteristics. Strictly speaking, it sounds to me like a discussion about panentheism.

I don't think it's related to panentheism, mainly because I'm pretty sure that Z isn't a panentheist (thank goodness!). --though, I could, of course, be wrong.
I'm just saying.... It's not anything I wouldn't say as a panentheist.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: The New Atheist Trinity is Unstoppable
« on: May 19, 2015, 04:46:18 pm »
Too late, Moot. You dug yourself a hole too deep to crawl out of and threw away the shovel.

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Choose Your Own Topic / Re: Potatoes do not exist
« on: May 19, 2015, 04:40:31 pm »
Life is too important to be taken seriously, my friend.  ;D

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