Hey Cole,

I'm glad someone is picking up the ball. This site isn't "getting going" as fast as I thought it would.Cole wrote:Well the eternaly true proposition "triangles have three sides" has always existed. Triangles have always existed. It existed before human minds existed. Information presupposes intelligence.

I agree that logical and mathematical propositions always existed in terms of physical time, but every theorem is dependent on their axioms. So, analytically "prior" to the truth of the theorem, the axiom was true. Analytically "after" the theorem is the proof. Therefore, I think it is in some sense incorrect to say that "triangles have three sides" have always existed from an analytical perspective. The axioms of trig and other more primitive theorems are "prior" to this truth.

Cole wrote:"George Bush is president of the U.S. in the year 2007" is a true statement. It is true today, it will be true tomorrow, it will be true when you die, it will be true when I die, It will always be true. It will be true when everybody dies. It is eternally true. Information pressuposes intelligence. There must be an infinite intelligent mind.

But, was it true in 1405? I don't think it was true in the frame of reference of those living at the time. Nor will it be true in a future frame of reference to say, "George Bush is president..." after George Bush isn't president in that future since it will be more correct to say that "he

*was*president in the year 2007."