Rob Heusdens

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A designer too complex to be probable
« Reply #105 on: December 10, 2008, 05:55:24 pm »
Jelly_Donut wrote:

I disagree with your assertion that natural processes can out perform a designer's ingenuity.  In what way can a natural organism outperform a present or future machine built by humans? Machines are stronger, faster, more durable, more efficient, and can self-replicate (replication machines can nearly built an entire car via automation.)



That is very far off from self-replication, since the car is produced (and only in part) by these robots, but the robots themselves are not made in that process.


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Mathenaut

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« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2009, 01:32:13 pm »
To add onto robheus' point, it was only just recently that a small machine was built with the capability to fully create a full replica of itself.

   

   Additionally, a robot with full AI and the ability to replicate would not be more complex than the human biological system.  There are still parts to our DNA alone that we are unable to decode, and there would be nothing to the robot that was not understood.

   

   Sure, it may be more efficient if you want to talk about the function of an out and out android - but better function does not imply greater complexity, there are already simple machines that outperform us in manual labor.

   

   Lastly, on axioms...

   

   Understand that Logic isn't some universal constant that governs everything. It is a system of inductive/deductive reasoning based upon man-made axioms (that is, statements that are assumed to be true for a particular reason). They are arbitrary.

   

   This is the case with all axioms. The fact that you have axioms says nothing except in reference to what those axioms have built upon them. Otherwise, they are concepts like any other, either relevant to something or not, and there is nothing special about them.

   

   Intangible concepts do not prove the christian creator-god.
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