admiralmattbar wrote: Also, I fail to understand why differing opinions about what Jesus did and who exactly he is casts doubt on his existence at all. Why is that a good reason to be skeptical of his existence? The historians who study Jesus make claims about him that they get from doing history, not asserting theology (unless you think Ehrman, Crossan, Crossley are closet Evangelicals). If the historical Jesus is not the Son of God or the greatest prophet until Mohammad he still was a real person. I don't know why you feel the need to argue that Jesus didn't exist just because you don't think the Jesus that did exist was the Son of God (if that is your position). Just because scientists disagree sometimes over how many dimensions string theory implies does not mean there are no such things as strings. Just because historians can't decide what teachings of Socrates are his and not Pluto's does not mean there was no Socrates.Even accepting that much of the Bible is pious forgery we can still use historical methods to sift through the information and find history or form good conclusions on what is historical. Okay, it is unreliable to simply trust what the Bible says but historical investigation doesn't stop there and scholars can still draw historical conclusions from the texts. The practice of history does not rely on an all-or-nothing approach to the text.
What's funny is that you are suggesting that I have an "all-or-nothing" approach, but it seems it is you
2. There is vigorous scholarly debate on the issue.
I put the odds that the man Jesus never existed just slightly higher than the odds he was actually resurrected. But I've always been a middle of the road kind of guy.
Kam86 wrote: Tcampen, from reading your posts I suspect that means you believe the odds He never existed were quite low. I guess my only gripe would be we have early documents recording the ressurection, we dont have any early Christ myth sources
But I can empathize with individuals who dont believe in a personal God, having a hard time believing the resurrection. First we would have to mount a convincing case for a personal God( which I believe there is, but I understand opinnions differ on this matter) then we would have to examine the documents with an open mind with respect to miracles or divine interventions.