hey Msheekha Im Happy you liked my posts. I also believe you have highlighted the awkwardness in the atheist's stance on Jesus quite well, its a weird dichotomy they find themselves in. I maintain that the only reason guys like Ooberman support firnge skeptic's like Robert Price is because it is the only was to avoid the theistic implications of the remarkable life of Jesus. So they postulate non-senscal unsuppoted myth fairy tales.
Noraaron wrote: Im often out on the job and write things down on random pieces of paper, names address for clients who call and also measurements and list of things i need to do. Often they fill my back pocket up, and after a few days i get them all and re write it all on a nice new clean piece of paper that is easier to understand rather than corners of news paper and takeaway wrappers. Just thought you all might be interested how i write notes. It sometimes makes me wonder how hard ti would be to write things down even 1000 years ago...no pens, no paper handy....would have been difficult. Still they managed when it was important.
According to Gregory Boyd and Paul Rhodes: Jesus Legend, A Case for the Historical Reliability of the Synoptic Jesus Tradition, the mythologizing of the Gospels is not advanced without presuppositions. Here are a couple:
§ High illiteracy rates in the ancient world: This is based on a chronocentric comparison of cultures rather than the traditional epigraphic analysis of extant artifacts. It assumes that writing materials were expensive, that literacy was the reserved, exclusive domain of the “palatial” scribal class, and that Jewish literacy rates corresponded to that of the general ancient world.
Recent archeological discoveries controvert these assumptions: Wood strip and ink were relatively free, extant examples of correspondence originate from various economic classes – including slaves, and the Jewish Synagogue served as the local school for boys.
§ Oral communication is inherently inaccurate and accretions easily accumulate: Interdisciplinary analysis of oral cultures by folklorists, anthropologists, and ethnographists refute this assumption. Empirical analysis has chronicled the capacity of Oral Tradents to reliably recite narratives lasting up to 25 hours, presented over three days. Tradent ability and audience participation, as a correcting verification, has led some scholars to conclude that oral traditions are less susceptible to mythic accretions than written narratives, when the subject is of critical importance.
ooberman wrote: I don't think it's proven that Jesus was a real person.
ooberman wrote: To me it seems clear that the truth is lost to history.
ooberman wrote: ...we will never know and can't know.That doesn't lead me to conclude that Jesus existed.
I don't think it's proven that Jesus was a real person. To me it seems clear that the truth is lost to history. we will never know and can't know.
Thinking wrote: What's the harm in atheists admitting there was a Jewish man named Jesus who claimed to be a prophet, had followers, was proclaimed a miracle-worker, went to Jerusalem, ran into trouble with the authorities, and was put to death?It's all very well attested to, and was a fairly common happening in those times (Josephus talks about at least several very similar cases).