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« on: December 30, 2009, 06:14:37 pm »
A atheist made this argument. This made me wonder about if there is any evidence for the mind is related to the brain.

   

   To continue on the mind-brain thing: if your arm were amputated recently, you'd still have the feeling that it's there, simply because you were used to it being there. However, you cannot move your arm any more. It is separated from the brain. Now, how could you test if the mind is transcendent or not? If you move the arm out of sight/sound/perception and you stimulate it and the person doesn't feel anything at all, then the mind and brain are one and the mind is thus not transcendent. If, however, the person DOES perceive the stimuli, but can't respond to it, then it proves the mind and brain are separate things. Lets just say I stand with the fact that the brain and mind are one.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 06:21:41 pm »

djchrist15 wrote: A atheist made this argument. This made me wonder about if there is any evidence for the mind is related to the brain.

To continue on the mind-brain thing: if your arm were amputated recently, you'd still have the feeling that it's there, simply because you were used to it being there. However, you cannot move your arm any more. It is separated from the brain. Now, how could you test if the mind is transcendent or not? If you move the arm out of sight/sound/perception and you stimulate it and the person doesn't feel anything at all, then the mind and brain are one and the mind is thus not transcendent. If, however, the person DOES perceive the stimuli, but can't respond to it, then it proves the mind and brain are separate things. Lets just say I stand with the fact that the brain and mind are one.

That's simply silly. How is this a test for the mind? After all, if it is out of sight or sound, and the arm is amputated, then how would your mind know? This isn't a test, for no one says the mind reacts to that which it could not know. It can't be a test for the ontological separate-ness of the brain and mind. At best, it could show a mind requires some form of physical stimuli in order to react to a physical act. But that elicits no more than a yawn and wouldn't even function as an indicator of the mind's separate ontology.

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 06:37:00 pm »
Well it made me wonder a little bit about the relationship between body and mind. Now I thought that the mind was related to the brain but the brain and mind are not one. So my question would be what is our relationship with our mind and body? Any is there any material which you recommend for me to learn a little bit more about this.

   

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 12:02:36 pm »
LOL that's funny.

   

   Anyway, there's a good thread on this here.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 02:12:24 am »
So my question would be what is our relationship with our mind and body? Any is there any material which you recommend for me to learn a little bit more about this.

djchrist15,

In answer to your question, I think the best case to be made is for some form of substance dualism. It certainly seems to be the biblical view as well as Jesus' own view of the human person.

There are lots of books one could recommend, and many Christian philosophers--especially recently--have written excellent defenses of substance dualism both at the popular and academic levels. How about checking out something of JP Moreland's on this? Mind-body stuff is one of his research specialties. Much of what he has written is accessible to non-specialist audiences, though it's rarely light reading either. You could start with Body and Soul by Moreland and Scott Rae. Rae is an ethicist, so you'll find bioethics discussed in there, too, in addition to the mind-body stuff.  Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview discusses all kinds of issues in philosophy, mind-body included. If you want less of a philosophical treatment and more of a biblical treatment, check out John Cooper's The Body, Soul, and Life Everlasting.

Could recommend more, but how's that for a start?