We know that certain saints are in Heaven: men like Augustine, More, and Bonhoeffer, along with women like Mother Teresa, Katharine Drexel, and Mary the Theotokos.
Quote from: CorneliusC on February 20, 2019, 12:18:53 pmWe know that certain saints are in Heaven: men like Augustine, More, and Bonhoeffer, along with women like Mother Teresa, Katharine Drexel, and Mary the Theotokos.When you say, “we know,” here, logically the statement reduces to, “Catholics believe,” or, “Certain people teach.” It is not actual knowledge, it is speculation, or presumption. I am curious if you see what your mind is doing, as you say, “We know,” if humans don’t really know. This is a typical habit of religionists, and I’m wondering if you, personally, can see that this is not knowledge, although you have said that it is. If it is knowledge, then please list your proofs or evidence. I find this a bit baffling. When I say, “I know,” I mean that I really know and can usually demonstrate it or at least provide compelling evidence. For instance, I’ve studied Augustine and Teresa among those you list, and have shown by lengthy argument they are entering certain states defined in the East, which are not the states of those about to enter Heaven. So I say I know that they are not in Heaven.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course. As someone who appears to be a non-theist, I doubt you believe in Heaven to begin with, so I see no point in having a discussion, when we start with radically different assumptions.
jayciiii,In Heaven sin has no hold.on anything or anyone. Heaven as Christ relates is not a place of carnal pleasure as you seem to think. It's a place of glory and love absent sin. You seem to presuming otherwise, so you're contriving your own religion, not dealing with Christ and His Gospel.