if you read Q&A 8
Subject: Molinism, the Unevangelized, and Cultural Chauvinism
So it wasn't their parents, or environment, or the culture, or genetics, so that just leaves - their souls. Who made their souls? - God Therefore, God made their souls unable to respond - and destined for hell. Doesn't it follow - where have I gone wrong -?
(please don't tell me your views on what happens to the unevangelised, please stick to the content & logic of WLC's arguments and mine - thanks)
Well, I won't challenge or agree with WLC's views, but given that God did create a certain number of souls bound for Hell, one product of God creating all of those lost souls is that their progeny, which will outnumber them, are accepting Christ, so that those lost souls eventually lead to a greater number of Christians ultimately?Just a rambling thought. So, let's say that God knows a certain ratio of all souls created over time will not and would not accept Him no matter what. He, in fact, knows what each individual soul will choose. He places those souls who He knows will reject Him in locations and times where the Gospel is not preached, knowing that many of their offspring will accept Christ, placing those souls as the lost or damned souls' children/grandchildren, etc. If free will exists, then perhaps this was inevitable.
Jnwaco wrote: Well, I won't challenge or agree with WLC's views,
Well, I won't challenge or agree with WLC's views,
troyjs wrote: God created sinners, ie. people with a sinful nature, that He would show both mercy in saving some, and justice in sending others to Hell. The number of people going to Hell should never have been the countless millions -- it should have been all of us.
turner_chris1 wrote: Quote from: JnwacoWell, I won't challenge or agree with WLC's views, Its his views I'm interested in
And it was those I discussed. I don't see how knowing that a person won't accept God is equal to God creating them for hell. I don't think that God's knowledge of a choice someone else makes doesn't logically deprive them of that choice.
And it was those I discussed. I don't see how knowing that a person won't accept God is equal to God creating them for hell.
Why is it that they wont accept God ?
Is it because of the experiences, what they learnt in their lives? Is that their fault ?
Is it because of their genetics? Is that their fault?
Is it because of their souls? Who gave them that?
So that's why I think he made them for hell
so he made them for hell then?
To address Dr WLC's article, I think both he and I would agree with you, however I presume that Dr Craig would affirm the following proposition: