lehmar wrote: 2) Many logically possible worlds contain large amounts of suffering
lehmar wrote: In order to answer the question, both parties can't just assert either premise 2 or P, for either assertion begs the question. Independent reasons need to be found. But what reasons should these be?
This [argument]... [shows] that God is either impossible or possible. Combine this with Maydole's Modal Perfection Argument which shows that it is possible that a God exists - therefore it is not impossible - we come to the conclusion that God must exist in the actual world.And if Maydole's argument is refuted, the objector still has to claim that God is impossible. That is, either show that one of his attributes is self-contradictory, or that two or more of His attributes are conflicting. The burden of proof is on them.
1) Unnecessary suffering is objectively morally wrong.
1') If unnecessary suffering exists, it is objectively morally wrong.
jbiemans wrote: You missed the other possible conclusion to the argument there. from 6 & 7 therefor god does not exist.
jbiemans wrote: You are making the other assumption that i talked about, naimley you are assuming that god is the only possible standard.
jbiemans wrote: Like i also said, i am not even sure about the premise 1.
TheDyslexicPoet wrote: Quote:Originally Posted by jbiemansI don't think that evil can be called an objective moral value.How so? Does murder have any objective moral value? I should hope that we agree, that it is indeed morally wrong. Now, is murder an evil? If yes, then it follows that evil has an objective moral value, that it is wrong.
lehmar wrote: Jbiemans, yes, premise 5 in your argument would be the controversial one, so one would indeed need to argue for it. But given its truth (and I think a good case can probably be made for it!), I think your argument is sound.
lehmar wrote: TheDyslexicPoet, I don't fully understand Maydole's argument yet, but I will certainly research on that soon! I'm wondering though whether the question of whether the MGB is possible or impossible can be answered this way:1) If it is possible that unnecessary evil exists, then the MGB is impossible.2) It is possible that unnecessary evil exists.3) Therefore, the MGB is impossible.(Metaphysical possibility being the relevant notion of possibility here.)Can't the skeptic offer this argument to show that the MGB is impossible