God is the greatest possible being. Traditionally this is understood to mean that God is (at least) omnipotent, omnipresent and perfectly good.
Anyhow , God the being , can not be a concept, nor abstract, at least not in the classical sense, as abstracts are even defined as Not being able to enter in causal relations. So God should not be an abstract, but a substance,...
Quote from: ontologicalme on December 02, 2012, 04:32:55 pmAnyhow , God the being , can not be a concept, nor abstract, at least not in the classical sense, as abstracts are even defined as Not being able to enter in causal relations. So God should not be an abstract, but a substance,...I guess the most abstract concept is the concept between true and false. And the question is whether this has any effect on the concrete universe. If the universe can be derived from logical deduction alone, then the abstract has an effect of the concrete universe. Or at least it has an effect on our models by which we understand the universe.If physic could be derived from pure logic, then perhaps in this sense it could be said that God/Logic created the universe.
I truly don´t know, but my guess at this moment is that we can model away all we want, as in essence, we are just describing, when it comes to the actual universe, it does its thing unperturbed from our models. If God exist, God is not an abstract, that is my intuition.
QuoteI truly don´t know, but my guess at this moment is that we can model away all we want, as in essence, we are just describing, when it comes to the actual universe, it does its thing unperturbed from our models. If God exist, God is not an abstract, that is my intuition.Obviously, a thoery of reality is not the reality itself. But if we did have a theory of everything, then I suppose it would have some ontological significance; it would be describing something real. Those realities would be described by some symbols in our equations.So what does it mean to say God exists? If we were to think that He is some physical object, that would make God a creation. So God is not some collection of particles, He's not a force of nature, He's not space or time or matter or fields. But we can say that God is some sort of Guiding Principle that governs all of these other things. The only possibility that I can think of that makes necessary certain facts is logical deduction. If God deduces something is true, then it is produced of necessity. So I think that logic is at the heart of all the particles and forces in the world. I think the laws of physics can be derived from logic. And I've made some progress in realizing that goal.
The only way I can think of expressing existence itself is what is left when one takes away all attributes.
Your argument appears to be that God can be called a Principle, and the Principle you suggest is Logic. Others would point out that facts are self-consistent, and don’t need to be maintained by God or Logic.
Once Christ was resurrected from nonexistence, he “entered . . . Into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us .” ( Hebrews 9:24 ) This demonstrates a couple of significant elements relating to God Almighty. For starters, he has a location where he resides. Furthermore, he is a Person, not merely some mysterious force that pervades all of reality. The Scriptures plainly inform us that God Almighty possesses a body as well as revealing that he is situated in the heavens. (cf. Matthew 6:9; John 4:24; 1 Corinthians 15:44) Put simply, he possesses corporealness and therefore locality. Understanding that, in fact, each and every heavenly spirit possesses corporealness makes it substantive when the Scriptures refer to God relative to his spirit creatures: "Micaiah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left." -1 Kings 22:19"“I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days [Jehovah God] sat down. A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him. A thousand thousand kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him." -Daniel 9:9,10 (Bracket mine.) The Holy Bible additionally explains that our Creator bears a personal name, Jehovah, and even unveils his personality to us. It reveals that his most distinguishing traits are love, justice, wisdom, together with power. ( Deuteronomy 32:4; Job 12:13; Isaiah 40:26; 1 John 4:8 ) The Scriptures informs us, likewise, that he is certainly merciful, kind, forgiving, big-hearted, as well as patient. Personality is the blend of traits or attributes that pattern an individual's unique persona. It is the aggregation of all the attributes--behavioral, temperamental, emotional as well as mental--that represent a distinct individual. It is the manifestation of personal values, hopes, aspirations, principles, and behaviors. In effect, personality is to a particular person as a culture would be to a group. Seeing as personality is the quality or fact of being a person as distinguished from a particular thing or creature it follows that Jehovah God is absolutely a person.
Quote from: jayceeii on October 12, 2018, 02:08:01 pmYour argument appears to be that God can be called a Principle, and the Principle you suggest is Logic. Others would point out that facts are self-consistent, and don’t need to be maintained by God or Logic. I suppose you can take for granted that all the facts are logically consistent with each other. But that might be to discount logic on the one hand while using it to win arguments on the other. Others, however, might find it a source of profound amazement that something as completely abstract as logic can nevertheless dictate what happens in the universe.Consider the properties of this logic of the universe.It exists everywhere at all times making sure everything is always consistent. It is Omnipresent.It has power over all that happens. It is Omnipotent.Everything that has ever happened in the past is taken into account to determine what will happen. In this sense, it is Omniscient.So I think it fair to claim that the Logic that maintains consistency of all facts in the universe is itself God.