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bro_rich_777

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Christ myth talk is back
« on: December 15, 2012, 10:35:42 am »
i guess everyone has seen the 'dump the myth' billboard on times square. i understand that quite a bit of documentation says that Jesus and santa both really lived, the crucifixion was real, and santa's red suit is the mythical part... hmmmmmm...

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John M

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Re: Christ myth talk is back
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 12:42:55 pm »
I think those billboards are targeted to the uninitiated and uneducated in the field of Christianity (which, IMO, is probably the majority of Americans today, including Christians!). But, if it gets people thinking and if it makes Christians (and non-Christians) curious and begin researching the "Jesus is Myth" question, I think it only helps. Because it's pretty easy today to get a hold of professional material, both popular and technical/scholarly, which helps put that answer to bed. Even the Jesus Seminar and  Bart Ehrman agree that Jesus was an actual person that lived in the first century. The "Jesus is myth" question (that he didn't even exist and everything was all made up) is just so far out of mainstream thought in N.T. studies that it really isn't an issue if you know anything about it.

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Ghostofhitchens

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Re: Christ myth talk is back
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 08:24:17 pm »
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820


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jayceeii

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Re: Christ myth talk is back
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2020, 11:19:15 am »
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
Jesus gave a “faded back” teaching to humanity, the primary rule not to interfere with the free operation of desire on the human plane. The God that is real opposes mankind on almost every front. Jesus could not present that God, only some shadows and hints about it where a dual interpretation was allowed. Jefferson’s quotation is thus wrong on the first count. Jesus did not display fine imagination, correct morality, or lovely benevolence. On the other hand Jefferson is largely right about the second count, for every evil of man has proceeded after hearing Jesus speak, finding no significant obstacles in divine discourse.

Jesus is not the risen Lord; he is the handcuffed Lord, not allowed to speak His entire Mind. In the gap between where sinners find themselves and the perfect angels, it’s easy to set up a religion above human heads, but this was not Jesus’ role. Jesus warned about pretenders claiming to be Him, when it was also easy to set precepts into the religion that would force any pretenders to really be on the side of the Lord and angels, i.e. to prevent the phenomenon. The religions had to seem fast and easy, or the minds of inattentive men would fall away. But fast and easy is not the same as progress and salvation that are real.