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Thanks PieterIt has nothing to do with spiritualisation but realisation, or rationality. Jesus would never have needed to trick people anyhow, he showed us reality and served water not to pretend it was wine. He turned the valuesystem of those attending that wedding upside down - after all he was a radicalThe future perfect of the wording from the master of ceremony to my understanding is:"the water that had been born to become wine"so it was as well water when it was in his hands. It is the same if you take the sacrament, it is the water that has been born to become the blood of Christ to you. I can bet that no clinical analyser would be able to find red blood cells in it and neither should they. It is about conciousness, not materialism. The value in the water - or wine is not in it's material presentation but in the vaue you attribute to it. To a rational person the value of the water is not in what it is, but in what it has the potential to do such as to generate life. It is the same with understanding Christ. If you only value in Jesus what he has become of him, he is finite and dead. If however we value the life in him that has been born to become Christ, you may have found the real value in Jesus.In the material world the concept is perhaps most understandable in a financial context, where the potential product has a much higher speculative value than the actual product itself, only that the moral is a questionable one in that context
They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been born to become wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
How does this have only 2 comments if it has over 17000 views?!
I wondered the same as I would have expected some people to comment on it but it looks like noone dares to. When raising such questions on the catholic answer forum I got thrown out and I thought they were the experts on such matters to give me a sensible interpretation. Guess I blew it when questioning the virgin birth as that is still seen as an unforgivable sin in their eyes, but then catholics are not realy known for their rationality. So rational faith seems to be the site to debate rational Christianity
Hi PieterIf you study the rules for the water that was allowed to be used in those vessels you would know that only "living water" could be used to do so, e.g. water from a flowing well. Stagnant water or running water could be contaminated. If you herd sheep you know about cryptosporidium and the likes and they surely did as well, albeit not by name. As such, as the vessels had to be filled they had to be filled according to the ritual. If you have a chance ever to come to one of the famous wells of clean water like for example in Walsingham, when you taste that water you know what you drink is neither tap water nor bottled water and you immediately understand that what you just drank is water from a clean well.What it boils down to in the end is that the logic interpretation of the story of the wedding is to me a far more valuable lesson of what I understand Jesus teachings to be about because it is coherent with his teachings. It also alows me to understand the sacrament in a much better way.
Quote from: PCH on September 12, 2013, 03:55:24 pmHow does this have only 2 comments if it has over 17000 views?!Lol, just thought of that as well. I think some people here were hoping to find out the secret of getting free wine.
Quote from: Snoochies on September 18, 2013, 04:26:01 pmQuote from: PCH on September 12, 2013, 03:55:24 pmHow does this have only 2 comments if it has over 17000 views?!Lol, just thought of that as well. I think some people here were hoping to find out the secret of getting free wine.best suggestion so far, good thinking but it would be more how to get rid of the wine :-) I was away for a year from the site so I was a bit puzzled to see the number and wondered if the rest of the tread had been deleted somehow