littledoc wrote: Huh? I've seen many of Craig's debates, and I don't think he's "won" any of them.
First off, I thought it was very interesting to see Christians and Jews coming together to team up on the opposition. That was a great combination IMO..
William Craig showed a strong performance in that debate. I loved how he called Dawkins out on his "Machines for propagating DNA"...The "ought to be" statement was a good way to start the fight. Dawkins then backpeddled with a weak rebuttal and an obvious evasion. (why ask why? ok Atkins said that, but can you come up with your own material?). I actually expected a bit more from RichDawkins and was a bit disappointed. He never attacked the debate. WLC and company sailed away into victory after that. (That boxing ring was a little lame), but I was really impressed with Wolpes FIRST ARGUMENT and I give him some props, he really was the big surprise to me here. The "purposer" point was actually the new material I learned when he went more into depth with it. But then Wolpe lost a little bit in the 2nd debate and got a bit confusing and then he got too spiritual on his last statement (which has some relevance, but don't say that to naturalists), this gave Dawkins his only clear shot of the night.
jbiemans wrote: If Dawkins were to debate WLC on the topic of evolution vs. creationism, I do not doubt that Dawkins would win the debate. If they were to debate about "does God exist", then I think it would probably go in WLC's favor. This is only due to the fact that WLC is a thelogoen and Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist. They each have different strengths.I would love to see WLC against some of the people I see as strong philosophers on youTube. I know you may laugh but a few of them are really intelligent and eloquent.http://www.youtube.com/user/urbanelfhttp://www.youtube.com/user/theoreticalbulls hit?blend=1&ob=4 - have to fix this due to filterhttp://www.youtube.com/user/DasAmericanAtheisthttp://www.youtube.com/user/theowarner?blend=1&ob=4 - A christian BTWPretty much the people from Tudesday Afternoon. http://12tuesday.com/
Lol yeah Dawkins claimed in the same debate "WE ARE WORKING ON IT" and then "why do we need an explanation"...I wonder how he deals with his multiple personalities? I wonder if he was worried about book sales?
I wonder if RichDawkins was worred about his book sales on this one....I bet alot of Cosmologists are pretty pissed off after finding out that Dawkins thinks there jobs are silly and worthless.
Glad to see richard the coward come out of his hiding spot after such a long time. As expected he mumbles nonsense as usual. As expected he fails miserably at being coherent let alone defend the unbearable burden of proof that comes with such absurd claims as that made by atheists. Although the debate was interesting I don't think any thinking person can claim that the atheists won by any stretch of the imagination, although they are pretty notorious in how far they can stretch it when they are desperate.As usual the atheists brethren are here to propagate their irrationalities but a special lol goes out to that guy who claimed that Craig never won a debate... He even cited stenger as a winner... lol stenger out of all people. Incredible!
PS. I would still like to see a one-on-one debate between Craig and richard though.
PPS. I like how kaku went up there trying to play the neutral intellectual and spewed the hollow promises of string theory... It's more likely that we find unicorns before anyone makes sense of that garbage. lol
PPS. The winning statement from the entire presentation was that of the clinical therapist on the wheelchair. Specifically, regarding the arrogance displayed by atheists who claim that their existence is purposeful (regardless of how irrational and delusional such claim actually is) while the wonder of the entire universe is purposeless. I honestly could have not said it better myself.