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Hmmm.....

This didn't take long.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/city-threatens-to-arrest-ministers-who-refuse-to-perform-same-sex-weddings.html

Do you know how many advocates of same sex marriage told me that this would never happen?  Like you said, it hasn't taken long.  Slipperly slope slidin' along.
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Okey, now this is just too much. If they don't want to perform same-sex wedding, they should own that option. Yes, I'm mad. This is just too messed up.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 12:28:21 pm by TheBigOhMan »

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While I agree that people shouldn't be forced to perform SSM marriages if they don't want to (though I'm hesitant about the issues regarding a for-profit organisation), could you guys stop posting things from FOX under the assumption they're true?  I mean, this may well be the full story, but it's hardly a reliable source.
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...and this is one of the reasons I don't want the state telling me how to define "marriage". Get ready, because more of this crap is coming.
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12thMonkey

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While I agree that people shouldn't be forced to perform SSM marriages if they don't want to (though I'm hesitant about the issues regarding a for-profit organisation), could you guys stop posting things from FOX under the assumption they're true?  I mean, this may well be the full story, but it's hardly a reliable source.

???

That's ridiculous.  I have no reason to believe FOX news is more reliable than any other, but to suggest they're somehow not on the same level as MSNBC, CNN, CBS and the other networks, some of which have been shown to outright fabricate stories, is gluing those intellectual blinders on a little too tight. 

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Do you know how many advocates of same sex marriage told me that this would never happen?  Like you said, it hasn't taken long.  Slipperly slope slidin' along.

Lies.  We've been assured there is no slippery slope. 

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???

That's ridiculous.  I have no reason to believe FOX news is more reliable than any other, but to suggest they're somehow not on the same level as MSNBC, CNN, CBS and the other networks, some of which have been shown to outright fabricate stories, is gluing those intellectual blinders on a little too tight.

FOX is regularly shown to be either lying or misleading.
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But the solution for that is very simple: they just need to stop giving officially recognized marriages and give only Christian marriages as a religious ceremony. Then the state will have no business in meddling in their affairs.

It was actually this way in communist Poland for over thirty years. Church-given marriages were not recognized by the state, so if a couple wanted it to be official, they had to go to the magistrate anyway.
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Let's also ban ''In God We Trust'', just like those communist countries.
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???

That's ridiculous.  I have no reason to believe FOX news is more reliable than any other, but to suggest they're somehow not on the same level as MSNBC, CNN, CBS and the other networks, some of which have been shown to outright fabricate stories, is gluing those intellectual blinders on a little too tight.

FOX is regularly shown to be either lying or misleading.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10477270/CBS-suspends-reporter-over-fabricated-Benghazi-raid-story.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/05/libel-lawsuit-filed-against-new-york-post-bombing-coverage/enRvNI9PSig0AHDxJHYqFJ/story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-hook-shooting-media-inaccuracies-2012-12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-connection-incorrect-129588.html

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-tears-apart-cnn-for-completely-fcking-wrong-boston-reporting-human-centipede-of-news/

http://www.businessinsider.com/oops-abc-news-3-big-reporting-errors-this-month-2012-8

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/19/the-incorrect-report-from-brian-williams-that-forced-nbc-news-to-issue-a-clarification/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/04/14-theories-for-why-kermit-gosnells-case-didnt-get-more-media-attention/274966/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79221.html

http://journalism.about.com/od/ethicsprofessionalism/tp/journalismscandals.htm

That took about five minutes of googling.  It's a lazy Sunday afternoon.  I can spare more time, if you like. 
« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 01:20:37 pm by 12thMonkey »

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While I agree that people shouldn't be forced to perform SSM marriages if they don't want to (though I'm hesitant about the issues regarding a for-profit organisation), could you guys stop posting things from FOX under the assumption they're true?  I mean, this may well be the full story, but it's hardly a reliable source.

???

That's ridiculous.  I have no reason to believe FOX news is more reliable than any other, but to suggest they're somehow not on the same level as MSNBC, CNN, CBS and the other networks, some of which have been shown to outright fabricate stories, is gluing those intellectual blinders on a little too tight.

Prepare for even more.
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That's ridiculous.  I have no reason to believe FOX news is more reliable than any other, but to suggest they're somehow not on the same level as MSNBC, CNN, CBS and the other networks, some of which have been shown to outright fabricate stories, is gluing those intellectual blinders on a little too tight.

FOX is regularly shown to be either lying or misleading.

You're confusing what you post here with Fox.
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But the solution for that is very simple: they just need to stop giving officially recognized marriages and give only Christian marriages as a religious ceremony. Then the state will have no business in meddling in their affairs.

It was actually this way in communist Poland for over thirty years. Church-given marriages were not recognized by the state, so if a couple wanted it to be official, they had to go to the magistrate anyway.

Or, have no "marriages" recognized be the state, and only contracts recognized by the state. This will solve a lot of problems, and only possibly anger pro-gay bigots and theocrats.
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