Michael John

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Is it possible to prove that Jesus is "GOD"
« on: October 20, 2014, 06:45:34 pm »
I find myself wondering if it is even possible to prove that Jesus is God? How could you possibly prove that? I mean even if/when Jesus comes and judges all mankind and there come a new heaven and earth at his command, still that would be one event at a particular time and place. That would not be equivalent to being everywhere all at once. It would not prove that he created the universe to begin with. And even if Jesus could tell you any particular fact at any time in history and show you how to dig up the proof. Still that would not be equivalent to stating everything that ever happened or that he was the cause of it all. So how much effort is it worth to insist on statements that are inherently not provable? Isn't it sufficient to know that by loving him we go to heaven?
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Soyeong

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Re: Is it possible to prove that Jesus is "GOD"
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 09:53:26 pm »
If God resurrected Jesus from the dead, then that would verify his divine claim.  You can't mathematically prove that he did, but you can conclude that his resurrection is that best explanation for the evidence.  Only God is the judge of all mankind, so if Jesus was doing that, then that would verify that he was God.  If Jesus gave you information that only God could know, then that would also verify that he was God.  If Jesus was just a man, then being in the right relationship with him isn't going to help you get to heaven. 
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Yeshua answered them, “The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanakh and of the power of God. - Matthews 22:29 (CJB)

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Vimbiso

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Re: Is it possible to prove that Jesus is "GOD"
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 03:25:41 am »
I find myself wondering if it is even possible to prove that Jesus is God? How could you possibly prove that? I mean even if/when Jesus comes and judges all mankind and there come a new heaven and earth at his command, still that would be one event at a particular time and place. That would not be equivalent to being everywhere all at once. It would not prove that he created the universe to begin with. And even if Jesus could tell you any particular fact at any time in history and show you how to dig up the proof. Still that would not be equivalent to stating everything that ever happened or that he was the cause of it all. So how much effort is it worth to insist on statements that are inherently not provable? Isn't it sufficient to know that by loving him we go to heaven?

One of the major sources of data regarding Christ's divinity is the Bible. Your question can be rephrased, "Does the Bible teach that Jesus is divine?" Christians will say yes but others will vary in their conclusions. Other than by divine revelation, how can we know that Jesus is God? Maybe that is what you are really asking. As you have pointed out, a single demonstration of power is not enough. But is it not enough? To what benefit is it that Jesus prove Himself to anyone. What God will tell you is that what Christ did when He was on earth is more than sufficient to validate His claim to divinity. From your questions, it appears nothing Jesus does or will do is enough to prove His divinity. If that is the case what is the point?
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jayceeii

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Re: Is it possible to prove that Jesus is "GOD"
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 09:55:41 am »
Jesus can be seen to be God, by those qualified to know this. That is to say, once a soul arises to self-knowledge, it will be able to see the Lord does not possess a created soul. In general one can say the Lord is operated from an external venue, as the “Father” inserts His own consciousness into that body, whereas the souls are found to be operated from an internal venue. These are things that can be proved rather easily when the Lord is around.

Since the Lord has no created soul, furthermore, all His motives and actions seem mysterious to the created souls who observe Him. They move by a created nature. He does not. In practice this means it is useless for people to try to emulate the Lord, because there is no bridge from Creator to creature. They can imitate more advanced souls, but must remain within their created nature and could not attempt to follow the Lord directly.

This introduces an obstacle into your purported mechanism for attaining Heaven, that if the Lord cannot be seen because His traits are alien to the creatures, He must be exceedingly difficult to love. This is where the word “devotion” comes into play, which means an attempt to love someone above you, whose inward nature you do not really know. Since God really does embody, the question is who is qualified to recognize Him. Possibly He has many proofs, but in today’s climate would be persecuted for any remark.