There is no contradiction in the doctrine of the Trinity. Let us look at the two main propositions (and if I recall correctly, Robert in this thread also affirms this):a God is one (monotheism)b God is tri-personalWhere is the contradiction? I do not see any contradiction concerning the propositions a and b. There is no direct contradiction (e.g., (a & not-a), or (b & not-b), or anything of that sort). I also do not see how one would imply falsehood of the other. The doctrine is that there basically exists one God consisting of three persons, and they are all divine, and we do not affirm that God exists as one and as three in the same sense.It is by, the way, easy to think towards tritheism (three gods) or modalism (that one God revealed himself at different times with different modes, opposing the standard trinitarian doctrine). Both of these are normally rejected and not Christian doctrine.
I would like to avoid the practice of cutting and pasting links to other articles I have found on the internet. But to not do so here and still give the subject a good general overview would require a huge post or numbers of posts here. So I am reluctantly resorting to this common practice in the hopes that the moderator here will allow it after having reviewed the material found there. https://onenesspentecostal.com/ugstsymposium.htm#_ftn2
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg/2000px-Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg.pngSo basically trinity is:Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, the Father is God, each of them is a full and perfect God, and Jesus is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus, despite that the three Gods are one God.That is either internal incoherence or that isn't English.Lets go through the sun analogy, so the Father is the source of the sun, and the son is the light, and the holy spirit is the heat. Well, the analogy just refuted trinity.First of all, the sun is what is being described, and heat and light are inseparable properties of the sun. You can't have a man somewhere, and his kindness somewhere else.Furthermore, heat and light are contingent, meaning that they are created and not eternal. (God is not eternal?)If we assume that they are part of God's nature (ie. God is wisdom, knowledge and reason is the Son, life is the Holy Spirit). So... can we have a God that doesn't have wisdom, knowledge, or life? So there is no objection in dividing God into more persons then?If one of them is an actual perfect God, then what is the need for other persons?X+Y+Z=1, and the three variables are equal then each of them is equal 1/3. If one of them equals one, then the other two are equal zero.I've heard that it is actually 1x1x1=1, but it is more like 3x1=1, DollarXPennyXEuro=?, or PeachXTomatoXApple=...something else.Bottom line is: Either the three persons are equal, but they are partially divine (1/3 each), in which no God actually exists.Or the three persons are equal in essence, and all represents one God, leading to three different Gods.It is non-sense that the three persons are equal in essence, all represents one God, but their addition equals one God.
You are probably no longer posting, so it would be to no avail to expect a response to the following, but at least for the readers on the sidelines:- you seem to define personhood as distinct ontological being from the mind, which is not how theism understands personhoodAnd theism is the metaphysical system under which the Trinity is devised. We believe the Person is a relational extension from the mind. When the intellect comes to know the mind, then in that relation the "person" emerged.We believe in God there are Three such relations:1) Between the Divine Mind and the Divine Intellect, which results in the Father. 2) Between the Divine Intellect(=the Father) and the Divine Thoughts/Word, which results in the Son. Thus why, the Son is the Word(the thought/logos) of the Intellect(=the Father). And just like the human intellect gives birth to the human thought, so does the Divine Intellect(=the Father) begets the Word(=the Son)3) Between the Divine Intellect(=the Father) and the Divine Knowledge, which results in the Spirit.Of course, that's merely a general outlook, or guideline, and by no means exhaustive of how God's Personhood is actually in detail. However, we believe Personhood to be a relation extension in the mind, not a separate entity.So, you don't get: 1(separate entity) + 1(separate entity) + 1(separate entity) = 1But the Father, Son and Spirit are not separate entities from the Divine Mind. They are OF the Divine Mind, but not "apart" of it, or "separate" of it. Justl like you're not separate of your mind. You ARE your mind. Just like the Three Divine Persons are the Divine Mind.
It really depends on which Trinity model you are discussing. There many different models. It's interesting though that 90 % of normal everyday chruch goers will slip in to some form of heresy while trying to explain it. Most of them, are not well-read in trinitarian litterature or apologetic argumentation or the philosophical categories that are necessary to understand the sometimes confused trinitarian claims. That's why, wether they know it or not, they usually become a form of modalist trinitarians. Believing in a single person who takes in different role. This is natural since it's easier to aim your devotion and prayers to a single person. Because despite what they may say, in their minds that's what they imagine God is, being a single person that take on different roles. Of course this was declared heresy a long time ago by many churches.But the kind of Trinity that WLC and James White proclaim are not necessarily incoherent though, it's just not in the Bible.The problem often comes down to the word God. They will use this one word in mainly two different ways and will never tell you that each time they use it , it has changed meaning. But the key is to not to allow them to do this and their claim will collapse.These are the ways the usually use it: 1. God = The "tri personal being" 2. God = an essence/nature So when they say Jesus is fully God! They do not mean that Jesus just is the Trinity that is incoherent, but then they use the second definition Saing that he is in nature, essence fully God or divine. So it's like saying you are fully human, that is your nature. And you share that nature with 8 billion other persons. However in our case we are also 8 billion different human beings but in God's case according to the trinitarians there are not 3 God beings but only one. So a better comparison would be if you had three brains inside your head each one sufficient to be a real thinking individual. So in your one human body there would be three real persons. Another good analogy would be the three headed dog of Greek mythology. It is ONE dog but it has three sets of rational faculties. Three heads, each head can be called dog, and the whole can be called dog. Trinitarians will probably not like that comparison but it's what is most analogous to something what WLC teaches.Of course the problem is that in the bible the word God never means any of these things. It absolutely never refers to a tripersonal being. It never refers to som kind of essence and nature. God is spirit, that is his nature, spirit nature not material. Instead "God" is used as a TITLE in the Bible meaning mighty/powerful. God with a big G is the MOST powerful/mighty. But other individual have been called "gods". Like the angels in Psalms are called gods, the judges, Moses and yes Jesus. Those are titles bestowed on them because of their God given authority and power. Of course there are those who make themselves into "gods" by taking what is not theirs or not given to them by God. They are false gods.Now some will say isn't that polytheism to believe that there are more than one being called "god"? Maybe according to a modern made up definition of "monotheism" that many adhere to but not according to the form of worship in biblical times. The Jews acknowledge that other beings even humans were spoken of as "powerful ones" or gods but of course they did not worship them in the exclusive sense they were to worship their one God. That is what monotheism really is. Worshipping exclusively one person , God. Like monogamy means you have one wife, not that other wives do not exist. Hope it helped .