ReasonableRuben

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http://www.brainpickings.org/2015/05/20/blaise-pascal-pensees-persuasion/?utm_content=buffer74456&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This article is interesting so I thought I'd share. It seems right up the alley of many community members here. =)
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Steve B

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Re: How to Change Minds: Blaise Pascal on the Art of Persuasion
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 06:40:34 am »
http://www.brainpickings.org/2015/05/20/blaise-pascal-pensees-persuasion/?utm_content=buffer74456&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This article is interesting so I thought I'd share. It seems right up the alley of many community members here. =)

Wow. . . very insightful.  After reading I found myself realizing that I've actually made the mistake of instigating the "back fire effect" a few times now. The link was really, very, insightful.  Thank you so much for posting.

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Re: How to Change Minds: Blaise Pascal on the Art of Persuasion
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2015, 02:24:39 pm »
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When you start to pull out facts and figures, hyperlinks and quotes, you are actually making the opponent feel even surer of his position than before you started the debate. As he matches your fervor, the same thing happens in your skull. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs.

http://www.brainpickings.org/2014/05/13/backfire-effect-mcraney/

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Re: How to Change Minds: Blaise Pascal on the Art of Persuasion
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 07:21:35 pm »
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When you start to pull out facts and figures, hyperlinks and quotes, you are actually making the opponent feel even surer of his position than before you started the debate. As he matches your fervor, the same thing happens in your skull. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs.

http://www.brainpickings.org/2014/05/13/backfire-effect-mcraney/

I will never again quote an evolutionary biologist, ever.
Good article, but I don't think it's anything new to anyone who pays attention.

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Jesus, Gonod, and Ganid made five trips away from Rome to points of interest in the surrounding territory. On their visit to the northern Italian lakes Jesus had the long talk with Ganid concerning the impossibility of teaching a man about God if the man does not desire to know God. They had casually met a thoughtless pagan while on their journey up to the lakes, and Ganid was surprised that Jesus did not follow out his usual practice of enlisting the man in conversation which would naturally lead up to the discussion of spiritual questions. When Ganid asked his teacher why he evinced so little interest in this pagan, Jesus answered:

“Ganid, the man was not hungry for truth. He was not dissatisfied with himself. He was not ready to ask for help, and the eyes of his mind were not open to receive light for the soul. That man was not ripe for the harvest of salvation; he must be allowed more time for the trials and difficulties of life to prepare him for the reception of wisdom and higher learning. Or, if we could have him live with us, we might by our lives show him the Father in heaven, and thus would he become so attracted by our lives as sons of God that he would be constrained to inquire about our Father. You cannot reveal God to those who do not seek for him; you cannot lead unwilling souls into the joys of salvation. Man must become hungry for truth as a result of the experiences of living, or he must desire to know God as the result of contact with the lives of those who are acquainted with the divine Father before another human being can act as the means of leading such a fellow mortal to the Father in heaven. If we know God, our real business on earth is so to live as to permit the Father to reveal himself in our lives, and thus will all God-seeking persons see the Father and ask for our help in finding out more about the God who in this manner finds expression in our lives.”

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When Simon Zelotes and Jesus were alone, Simon asked the Master: “Why is it that I could not persuade him? Why did he so resist me and so readily lend an ear to you?” Jesus answered: “Simon, Simon, how many times have I instructed you to refrain from all efforts to take something out of the hearts of those who seek salvation? How often have I told you to labor only to put something into these hungry souls? Lead men into the kingdom, and the great and living truths of the kingdom will presently drive out all serious error. When you have presented to mortal man the good news that God is his Father, you can the easier persuade him that he is in reality a son of God. And having done that, you have brought the light of salvation to the one who sits in darkness. Simon, when the Son of Man came first to you, did he come denouncing Moses and the prophets and proclaiming a new and better way of life? No. I came not to take away that which you had from your forefathers but to show you the perfected vision of that which your fathers saw only in part. Go then, Simon, teaching and preaching the kingdom, and when you have a man safely and securely within the kingdom, then is the time, when such a one shall come to you with inquiries, to impart instruction having to do with the progressive advancement of the soul within the divine kingdom.”

Whether you believe something like this happened or even could happen, what does it matter if the message it conveys about human nature is true? Let's face it. Someone living comfortably in a make-believe world has neither reason nor desire to escape. This is true of both theists and atheists. More and more I see the wisdom of not-knowing; more and more, I realize people are led by God by God letting them to think it is themselves finding the way. Nowhere in the Bible do we see Jesus debating God's existence.
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