20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
I just don't get it. The passage clearly says "baptism now saves you." So I just don't understand how it doesn't teach baptismal regeneration.Even if it's not through the "removal of dirt" it sounds like the passage is saying "baptism saves you as an appeal to God for a clear conscience." So even if baptism doesn't save as a removal is dirt it still saves as an appeal to God, i.e. baptism is how we make an appeal to God.Any input would be greatly appreciated.
It says nothing about "regeneration" in the passage. That is the easy answer.
Thanks, JFS!The church I am considering joining teaches baptism, but it does not teach that people are saved at the point of baptism.
Quote from: zclub3 on June 03, 2015, 01:35:40 pmIt says nothing about "regeneration" in the passage. That is the easy answer.People that teach baptismal regeneration (the belief that we are saved at the point of baptism) would say "saves" is equivalent to "regenerates." I.e. they read the passage as "baptism now provides you with salvation."
Zclub, I am just wondering if you would mind changing your member name?Every time I see it, this happens in my mind:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z9hBtN7pGwI trust that you understand my pain.
Yes, that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I don't believe that baptism is a deal breaker (again, consider the thief on the cross).Good chattin' with ya bro!
How is that?