I have seen verses that indicate the Bible is positive on slavery and others that are negative. The thing is what is the view of this by more experienced Christians? Any people who have read the Bible thoroughly who can give me an understanding of how the Bible views this topic?
The bible advocates for slavery by telling you how to do it. If I tell you where to buy meth, how to make it into the most effective forms, and how to get those forms into your body, how much you can handle at a time, and give precautions to take to keep you safe while you use it, then I am endorsing meth use. If I do that, then turn around and say, "Oh, but don't use meth", then I'm covering my butt just so that nobody can say that I endorse it, even though I do.The bible endorses slavery, but doesn't even turn around and say "But don't own slaves".Krav's analogy with cigs and alcohol are flawed. The government doesn't tell you where to get them, how to treat them, how to use them, etc. The government doesn't say any of the things about those products that the bible says about slavery.Also, the bible was used to support slavery in the US, which it clearly does.
Exodus 21 The whole thing is laws about slaves. It never says that you shouldn't have slaves.Exodus 21:7"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do. But if she displeases her master, who had designated her for himself, he shall let her be redeemed."This is a Hebrew selling his daughter. That daughter is a sex slave forever, or until the man decides that he doesn't want her anymore.21:2-6"When you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years, but in the seventh year he shall leave as a free person without any payment. If he comes into service alone, he shall leave alone; if he comes with a wife, his wife shall leave with him. But if his master gives him a wife and she bears his sons or daughters, the woman and her children belong to the master and the man shall leave alone. If, however, the slave declares, 'I love my master and my wife and children; I will not leave as a free person,' his master shall bring him to God and there, at the door or doorpost, he shall pierce his ear with an awl, thus keeping him as his slave forever.Hebrew slaves have to be let go after six years, unless you trick them and give him a wife and kids. Then he either abandons them, making them your property forever, or wants to keep his son in which case they are all your property forever.Leviticus 25:44 tells you how you can enslave non-Hebrews forever and buy and sell them as property, and that they get passed down to your kids.People born to slaves had no way out of slavery, at all. Exodus 21 above.Exodus 21:20-27 talks about beating slaves, as long as you don't poke out an eye, or knock out a tooth, or kill them quickly as a result.1 Timothy, Collossians and Ephesians all talk about slaves, but doesn't say that you can't have slaves. Note that those are new testament books.Yes, Deuteronomy 24:7 does say that, but "one of his brothers of the people of Israel" means another Hebrew. Non-Hebrews are fair game. Leviticus 25:44 tells you to enslave the heathens around you.Need me to write out all those verses? I have them bookmarked in muh bible. Surprised that I have a bible?
The mental contortions that you're going through are immensely amusing.
Endorsing slavery is allowing and promoting slavery. The bible does all of that. Telling people where to get slaves, who they can enslave, and how to do it, and telling slaves to obey their masters even when they are cruel is an endorsement of slavery.
Do you tell your kids not to do drugs, or do you tell them how to do it, where to get them, when to do drugs, and how to do not get caught by the cops when you are doing drugs? If you don't tell them to not do drugs, but do those other things, then you are endorsing drug use to your children.
QuoteThe mental contortions that you're going through are immensely amusing.Empty rhetoric.QuoteEndorsing slavery is allowing and promoting slavery. The bible does all of that. Telling people where to get slaves, who they can enslave, and how to do it, and telling slaves to obey their masters even when they are cruel is an endorsement of slavery. The problem is your narrow view of slavery. When you hear the word slavery, you are thinking of the chattel slavery of the American, antebellum south. But when the Old Testament outlines the laws for slavery, it is speaking of a different type of slavery: indentured servitude. You should be getting this picture in your mind:
This is quite embarrassing, considering that Kravarnik has already mentioned this a few times:"So the Biblical notion of slave, or servant, isn't exactly the same as the modern rendition of the word "slave."""The slavery in the Bible is different to that of other nations at the time, or to that of modern Colonial Slavery - in Africa.""So, I believe the general picture is that slavery, as Colonial Slavery, is shunned upon..."Also, the New Testament clearly indicates that we are to try and become free if we are slaves (1 Corinthians 7:21 "Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that."). That doesn't seem to be "promoting" slavery, but the very opposite. The Bible discourages slavery.
QuoteDo you tell your kids not to do drugs, or do you tell them how to do it, where to get them, when to do drugs, and how to do not get caught by the cops when you are doing drugs? If you don't tell them to not do drugs, but do those other things, then you are endorsing drug use to your children.Just like with the word "slavery," some drugs are ok. For example, I would rather my kids not be dependent on caffeine, but that doesn't mean I'm going vote for laws that prohibit the use of caffeine. Slavery was a way to pay off debts in the ANE. There was no such thing as "credit" back in those days, lol. Would you rather people go to prison than become servants because they owe money?At the end we find that your reservations regarding slavery are based on a superficial understanding of slavery which stem from your slight familiarity with American slavery and your confusion of what was actually taking place in the Old Testament.
No, the bible isn't talking about indentured servitude. It's talking about owning another human as your property who can be handed down to your children and for the most part, have no means of escape. Go re-read the actual bible instead of an apologetics website.
RE: "have no means of escape."
It's talking about owning another human as your property who can be handed down to your children and for the most part...
The bible does tell "God's chosen people" that they should get out of slavery, but it doesn't say anything to them about not owning slaves. You're conflating two different groups.
I'm not the one confused about the slavery that took place in the bronze age.
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