Kajak

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How could Jesus be tested if he was the "God-man"?
« on: June 19, 2016, 07:45:53 am »
After Jesus baptism Matthew 4:1 states "Then Jesus was led up by theSpirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil" This raises for me many questions. Could he fail for the Devils temptations? If Jesus is God he obviously could not.
So why did the spirit test him? If he would fall for one the temptations would the the trinity become duety?
 Why did the Devil even bother to test God? When the Devil offers Jesus "the Kingdoms of the world and their glory" why would that be a temptation for the creator of the universe? Was this all just an act to teach us about resisting temptations? But interestingly when Jesus passed the test, in 4:11 "the Angels came ministered unto him"
This makes to me at least , not much sense if Jesus really was God since the outcome had t him beo be that way, so why did the angels come and ministered to him. And why did the Spirit bother to let be tested in the first place.
If one looks at the letter of James 1:13 "Let no one, when he is tempted say "I am being tempted by God"; for God feels no temptations to evil, and himself tempts nobody"
I honestly does not understand how these scriptures can be coherent with the doctrin of trinity. I am no expert on the trinity, so if anyone care to explain these things, I would be very grateful
Thank kaj

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Aaron Massey

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Re: How could Jesus be tested if he was the "God-man"?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 06:38:35 am »
Nothing to explain, you figure out a logical fault with the trinity in the scriptures. 

That said... there is a possible explanation, that in what ever heavenly rules of war God and Satan run... it may have something to do with that.

Satan may have said that if even God himself was sent to earth as a man he would sin, and that would prove man itself is a bad creation. (as an extension of the argument regarding Job)

So... say God comes to earth in the flesh... stripped of all his attributes but given all the temptations of man to be sinful, and perhaps some epistemic veil of not thinking he is God per se, yet some ptophetic duty to be fullfilled.... 

Could even God himself survive such a place put in the same predicament as man and not sin?    Well the answer seems to be yes.

But how God himself could be human and call himself the Son of God would then be a problem.
Proverbs 8:30 "then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always, rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the children of man."

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Re: How could Jesus be tested if he was the "God-man"?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2019, 09:24:56 am »
The temptations of Christ were put into the Bible for the sake of consistency in the religion. From understanding these, one can see the higher mind introducing the religion was intending to play into human superstition and body-identification, that Jesus might be part man and part God through an unspecified mechanism it was known nobody would be wise enough to question. Humans think if it’s a body, it must be a man, from lack of inner insight, specifically regarding their own souls. Jesus was ultimately behind this charade, but it was fleshed out later by Paul and others. Humans seek another human as their leader, failing to comprehend that only someone different from them, could save.

The way out of darkness is seen once the true qualities of the humans are known. Then as in Keanu’s film, one bursts out of the Matrix, rolling on the ground laughing at the ludicrous nature of these temptations. Referencing the specific temptation listed here, Jesus would not want to be king of a mob of apes, to borrow from Heston’s film. Anyone who sees the real human nature knows there is no friendship to be found there, and to be king of that is a curse nonpareil. Jesus already knows Himself to be king of this mess, but anyone would kill Him for saying so, so He remains silent. I’m surmising it isn’t just Jesus, but the ministering angels will also laugh at such temptations, leaving these verses.

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Re: How could Jesus be tested if he was the "God-man"?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2019, 10:59:04 am »
Elvis is dead.
The Earth is not flat.
The Holocaust actually happened.

There are four lights.
The sun does not revolve around the Earth.
Weed makes people violent.
A fetus is a person.

Obama was not born in Kenya.
Gradualism (Evolution) is a lie.
Unicorns of legend aren't real.
The Apollo 11 really did land on the moon.

If you were born with a "twig and berries" you're male otherwise you're female.
Fanatics are irrational.
Little boys are raped by gays.
Abiogenesis is a lie.

1. Jesus was a man. (1 Timothy 2:5; Romans 5:15)
2. His name literally means Jehovah Is Salvation.
3. He ceased to exist when murdered. (1 Corinthians 15:3)
4. God has always existed. (Habakkuk 1:12)
5. God gave Jesus life. (Acts 2:32; Galatians 1:1)
Therefore, Jesus is not God.

No one is entitled to their own version of reality.

1+1+1=3 NOT 1

"Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry ​YOU​ off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ." - Colossians 2:8