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Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« on: November 07, 2016, 05:02:04 pm »
Many people including popular apologists seem to be under an illusion that idea of multiverse was postulated solely in order to avoid god as an explonation. This impression is false on two different levels: No one really postulated multiverse, it popped into existence out of equations, and no one was trying to get rid of god by investigating those equations. If you don't trust me here you have Sean Carroll explaining it very neatly:

https://youtu.be/YKUEAfKGm58?t=25m15s
« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 05:20:23 pm by UnreasonableFaith »
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cnearing

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 03:28:48 pm »
This is pretty important, especially since theism *is* an *entirely* ad hoc explanation. 
P((A => B), A) = P(A => B) + P(A) - 1

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2016, 07:39:24 pm »
Well but it's a special one in some ridiculous sense. Whereas common ad hocs only address some particular issues, and turn out to be incompatible with new data, theists were canny enough to get it all on one go, and they simply defined god as being able to account for everything. If physicists were doing physics, as theologians do theology, instead of current theories, we would have one equation f(x)=y, where any given x is any possible question you can ask, and y is the best possible answer to that question. By this simple trick we have our theory of everything, and we know the answers to all questions!!! Wait.. on second thought, I feel like there may be something wrong with that... who knows... Where is my Nobel Prize anyway?
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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2016, 09:56:07 am »
I havent got a clue when Robin Collins' new book comes out but he focuses on discoverability. Apparently, no such self observer effect would do in explaining it, as the multiverse does (coupling self observer affect with chance) in the normal fine tuning argument.

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2019, 07:47:21 pm »
Equations don't prove the multiverse. Even if they did, the multiverse itself must have had a beginning too.

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2019, 07:26:56 am »
Musing about a multiverse on a theology forum illustrates a deep fault about man, because there is something you should have been musing about first. Though the minds talk about a multiverse and wonder how it relates to God, the minds do not talk about a multiverse and wonder how it relates to themselves. It is illustrated these minds can approach external questions, but not internal questions. In particular, no one wonders what impact a multiverse would have on a soul, or tries to prove that because the soul exists that could be no multiverse. Men have no existential concern, it seems. A man will say, “There may be multiple copies of myself,” but he hasn’t established what is there go copy. No one frets about consequences to the soul, and it is because no one sees the soul.

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2019, 10:58:42 am »
"it popped into existence out of equations"

Show me.  Prove it.

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Re: Multiverse is NOT an ad hoc explanation
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2019, 04:33:19 pm »
"it popped into existence out of equations"

Show me.  Prove it.
The point was that the idea of multiverses first appeared from mathematics, not from atheists. You demand that this be proved, but it looks as though you’ve taken a phrase out of context, and think the contention was that multiverses actually exist. When did men start thinking about multiverses? It’s a historical debate, not an existential one. Yet the Hindus established a cosmology of multiple universes thousands of years before modern physicists did so. It doesn’t mean they are right, only that the idea has been here a while.