MattMVS7

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I don't agree with the moral nature of God
« on: December 07, 2016, 04:38:12 pm »
I am a hedonist who lives to be happy and to enjoy his life.  I have no desire whatsoever to live for anyone or to serve anybody.  That would include God himself.  My own personal moral standard would say that there is nothing wrong about this and there shouldn't be any punishment.  Even my own kind family and other kind people in my life agree.

But according to God's moral standards, my way of life would be sinful and would result in me going to hell.  I need to obey his commands and avoid the sins he has mentioned.  Accepting Jesus is not enough; I must live a life in the holiness of God rather than my own selfish hedonistic passions.  I cannot possibly love anybody like that.  Please do not try to justify how God is all loving, all just, and morally perfect and righteous; it will never convince me that he is.

True love would be those like my family and those other kind people in my life.  They would never punish me for my way of life in which I don't even harm anybody anyway.  Again, do not try to justify how I am wrong; it is not going to work.  Not only do I view my own moral standards as righteous and the moral standards of God to be unrighteous and insane, but also those famous skeptics such as Richard Dawkins, Sean Carrol, Matt Dillahunty, Sam Harris, etc.

How can you blame them?  How can you act as though they know and are well aware of the holiness and moral righteousness of God, but choose to reject it anyway?  It's not like that.  They are not convinced at all that God is holy and morally righteous in the first place.  They are fully convinced of the opposite.  So how can you possibly blame them for the blasphemy they spout against God's moral character?

How can one possibly say that I and these skeptics are worthy of eternal punishment if we weren't convinced of God being holy and morally righteous in the first place?  What you are convinced of is not a choice.  Rather, it is whatever conclusion your personal honest mindset leads you to when you look at all evidence/arguments from many sides.  So my honest mindset and their honest mindset has lead them to God being a moral atrocity.  Just as how nothing can convince them otherwise, nothing can convince me otherwise and there is no reason to think that we are at fault and to blame us and condemn us.


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MattMVS7

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Re: I don't agree with the moral nature of God
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2016, 11:54:22 pm »
One final very important thing I would like to say here is that when there is a huge disagreement of moral standards, then of course there will always be a major conflict.  Especially if someone (in this case, a God) came into your life, deemed your moral standard as sinful when you were kind and not harming anybody, and from there threatened you with the ultimate punishment of eternal hell just because a God does not agree with your moral standard. 

He doesn't agree with the moral standards of kind people and threatens them with hell and that is the major issue here that not only leads me to think such religions are nonsense and morally insane and corrupt, but also would have me feel restricted and enslaved by a morally insane and unrighteous God. 

My entitlement of heaven is not childish, in my honest opinion, but validated by a morally righteous God.  So as long as we disagree on what is a righteous moral standard, that will always prevent me from ever considering Christianity as true and that will always lead me to detest the moral character of both this religion and God.

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Maxximiliann

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Re: I don't agree with the moral nature of God
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2019, 11:19:45 am »
So my honest mindset and their honest mindset has lead them to God being a moral atrocity.

And on what objective moral basis do you dare condemn anyone's moral values? Who made you God Almighty?
May the “God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory . . . give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him." -Ephesians 1:17

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Re: I don't agree with the moral nature of God
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 06:34:32 pm »
So my honest mindset and their honest mindset has lead them to God being a moral atrocity.

And on what objective moral basis do you dare condemn anyone's moral values? Who made you God Almighty?
Mm seems to forget his theology here, for he has argued no one made God Almighty. A more subdued, “Who made you king around here?” would’ve preserved his theology. The evils in the world are revealing the limits of the world, and the limits of its Creator. God had the option not to make anything at all, but chose to make, and the creatures should be glad since their other option was nonexistence. The vast majority of the world’s evils are from man’s inhumanity to man, and here religion has not been the practical help it should have been, listing the inner problems men were to encounter on their road to trying to be good people, and suggesting ways to solve or work around these problems. Yet we are still very early in history. God’s full message and intent for the world, are still unknown.