God's relation to time and us.
« on: March 10, 2017, 09:47:47 am »
I have been thinking of this for a while and I am not sure where to start. So I just give my thoughts correct away as you see fit.

God the father exists out side of time and for him the B theory of time is his experience. Jesus the Son experiences an A theory of time. That when God created time a part of him entered it in the form of the Son. That the Holy spirit binds them and us together.

What have I missed? Is this illogical?

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Bjorn Aagen

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Re: God's relation to time and us.
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2017, 09:04:43 am »

You could take from the understanding for example that ; this can be demostrated even as mere humans having "souls and spirits that is NOT influenced in anyway by time in the physical universe unlike the physical attributes of our material existence.

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Re: God's relation to time and us.
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2017, 07:10:47 pm »
So If I understand you, you are suggesting that it is the nature of spirit to be timeless?

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Bjorn Aagen

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 09:44:32 am »
So If I understand you, you are suggesting that it is the nature of spirit to be timeless?

This is my understanding for spirit in terms of non physical -  not being effected by time as aging organic beings. Regarding forever timeless for human spirits I can't be sure to be honest regarding the nature (not in the biblical sense)if human spirits were to roam about.

Being timeless for God.. as you previously mentioned - outside time and space .. the afterlife for humans with God is forever.
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Re: God's relation to time and us.
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 07:49:30 pm »
I suppose that is the way I look at it.
The idea of an infinite past seems so strange, but the infinite future seem reasonable. I think if our mental states are sequential then it seems to me reasonable that our minds are temporally bound(I view mind and spirit as the same thing I may be wrong of course.) Though I think if we are going to have new bodies then it may be that we are truly hybrids and that may be the only way we will experience things, in a temporal order. I'm just trying to make sense of the idea of God being unchanging and Christ not knowing the timing of things when he says only the Father knows. It seems to me any being who was outside time would have access to this information. Perhaps he could not carry it though into human form. However then the angels who are spirit would have access to that as well. So why is it only the father who knows the timing?

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 01:46:29 pm »

Yes it is a mind bogling trying to percieve and compare to something not usual to our understanding and experience of life.
My layman's simplistic understanding of the very least is; God is the "ultimate entity" of all things made by his hand. Angels don't have that power which would include knowing.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2020, 09:23:43 am »
There is a trap in language and thinking, which is to presume a negation is real. Knowing things, or believing you know them, it is tempting to think the mental act of negating this knowledge has pointed somewhere real or true. Instead (this takes sophistication), one should have the wherewithal to notice that a mental negation may have no bearing on the real, that you aren’t thinking of something new or real just by denying what you thought.

Theologians fall into this trap trying to think about nothing, or as in the present post, timelessness. Seeing objects a man thinks, “If these are gone, it would be nothing,” but this is not the case and this should be admitted freely today after the strange nature of the quantum realm has been partly explored. But more urgently from the theological perspective, when the objects are gone God remains, with His creative powers. And even more urgent for man, something he has not seen and has not cared about either, when the body is gone the soul remains. I don’t believe people who say they know what nothing is.

I think in the end trying to think about timelessness or what is beyond time, will be a completely fruitless endeavor for any embodied entity. As people try to discuss this they are merely offering empty words, as their minds undergo a false negation, also not really understanding what time is even with respect to their own mortality. In this respect theology has been spinning an airy nothing, or building a fantasy castle in the air. You can construct the sentences, God is beyond time, God is outside of time, God is all time and all space, and yet the mind is not pointing at anything real, instead a false negation.

From embodiment we cannot be divorced from time, even conceptually. And especially importantly, those who learn to see the soul begin to care about its eternal continuance. If God is outside of time or not, they want their own time to go on forever, and this becomes a core question to the Deity, whether He has the power and the intent to do this.
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