John W. Loftus wrote: If God is omniscient, then admitting God revealed himself in a poor way is evidence that God is not as smart as an omniscient being should be... It is definitely a poor way to reveal himself, if he wants us to believe as the Bible claims. Did you read the kind of evidence that an omniscient being, who wanted us to believe, could've provided? Again, these things are obvious
The genetic fallacy again, eh? I've responded already. And you clearly have not read the chapter in my book on this, for this fact does indeed lead to some serious reservations about religious faiths.
This response of your fails to understand the problem.
It has a lot to do with whether I and others can believe it. If this is the kind of response Weaver thinks answers me, then this is barely high school stuff, and I'm out of here. I develop each of these bases for my control beliefs in separate chapters of my book. Check it out. Norman Geisler said my book was "intellectually challenging."
firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: Hi John,I suppose I just don't see where the teeth are in this argument from non-belief. Since John 7:16-17 (along with other verses) implies that all sincere seekers after truth will in fact have the truth revealed to them...
Drm970 wrote: Oh, John, but you did just respond to me. Why do you pretend I'm not here while calling me an arrogant idiot and a devil's advocate? You fail to answer me on every response I give, offering merely a glib response, or pointing to your book, and you expect me not to question your understanding and not to believe you're just trying to promote your book? The principle of charity only goes so far. Sure, I have a barely concealed contempt for your reasoning, because what I've seen of it appears to me to be horrible. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt and visited your debunking blog.Far from being a devil's advocate, I merely have fewer quarrels with Christians than I do with you and yours.
Drm970, sometimes people have other agendas than to have fun and have stimulating discussions. I see your points, and I think they are very fair coming from a non-Christian.
It seems to me that if Loftus assumes that he knows just what to expect from God, then Loftus not only has a natural God-concept, Loftus fails to account for the actual evil human world (including human intellectual pride) which such a God would be right to judge.