I look forward to answering all of the comments AFTER the debate is over.
Sir Pater,You seem to have overlooked a subtlety in your snide, triumfantilistic response to Bruce, when you prematurely claim victory. Your argument is "God is justified in allowing evil to exist". The potential truth of that claim depends in part on another claim, that being the claim that your god exists. If you didn't want to include that as a necessary component in your argument, you should have sought agreement to a different wording.You might think that you have cut Bruce off from the approach of showing that your god does not exist, via your statements: "I will not be arguing that God exists. That is beyond the scope of my responsibility for this debate."In that, you are wrong. What you have done instead is concede the debate four paragraphs in. A non-existent god is not justified in doing anything, or more briefly and all-encompassingly - a non-existent god is not.I note that your three arguments are all speculative. In other words, they work if: your god exists, your god is immeasurably good (which could be due to such little goodness that it's below a measurable level, by the way), your god has a specific psychology (leading to certain objectives and desires), there is such a thing as an eternal afterlife and there are such things are sin and evil. Absent those, your arguments are just so much hot air.
Not sure how this escaped me before, but if we want to be sticklers about the propositions and proof, even if we interpret "God is justified in allowing evil" as "God is justified in allowing some evil" then Pater hasn't proven the proposition is necessarily true, only that it is possibly true, so I don't think I even need to concede that "God is justified in allowing some evil to exist". I'll concede the epistemic possibility of that, but tat is not the same as conceding that it is true.However, and this is why I think my affirmative should actually be the central debate topic, one doesn't have to prove the necessity of God being justified in allowing evil in order to defeat my proposition. On a strict deductive form of the argument all one has to do is show that it is possible (but for all evil not just some), and that is why the strict deductive form is rarely used. In an evidential form it becomes necessary for the person trying to refute the proposition to show that is more plausible than not that God has justification for allowing evil, but not just some evil, but all evil.I'm afraid our debate has become a bit of a schmozzle now because we didn't specify clearly enough some of these points before we started. I'd like to continue, and finish it up, but perhaps we might try again at a later date with an independent moderator who can help us set the terms more clearly before we start.
This is a PoE debate. As such, it is a given for one party to argue that because evil exists, God does not. That pre-supposes the assumption for the other side that God does exist. We stipulated that the God in question is the MGB God. Bruce had his opportunity to prove by weight of argument and evidence, that the MGB doesn't exist, without having to prove that no god exists. Just the MGB God.