I don't think you can accomplish anything this way. Basically every single event in history is "miraculous" in that it has a very low probability of happening. Thus all the movies and sci-fi about going back in time and accidentally changing the world completely by stepping on a random bug or some such.
I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [Matt. 16:18]
[Speaking of Christ]...and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.[Luke 1:33]
I'm not sure that any of that makes any difference to my point. This is basically just a variant of survivor bias.
(4) is not an historic event.
Quote from: shoyt on July 27, 2020, 07:26:12 am(4) is not an historic event.Rofl.
I know, using "an" before "historic"!
Quote from: wonderer on July 27, 2020, 07:47:32 amI know, using "an" before "historic"!I was referring of course to the ridiculous statement that Jesus' crucifixion is not historical. 😉
Quote from: kurros on July 27, 2020, 06:32:31 amI'm not sure that any of that makes any difference to my point. This is basically just a variant of survivor bias.Survivor bias only applies if only a few unusual events took place. It doesn't apply if a whole string of unusual events took place (not once but twice and the survival being predicted). You're just erecting a common bias known as atheist bias.
No no, it applies perfectly well after a string of events. See for example the "Wyatt Earp" effect. If Christianity hadn't survived then one of the religions that it replaced would have, and they'd be making the same kind of argument that you are now.
I'd like to lay out the case for a miracle of history. In this case the historic miracle of Christian survival during the early days of the Roman Empire. Given that the fine-tuned constants are often cited as a case of being in a universe well-suited for life, it seems next to impossible that the main religion necessary for science itself came into existence due to fine-tuning, which in my opinion casts severe doubt on the anthropic principle altogether. Anyway, here's the history:
Nothing of what you've listed (some of which is disputable, of course) strikes me as miraculous on anything more than an everyday sense of the term.
As for science, that was going on long before Christianity came on the scene.
If one of those events lack a miraculous outcome then it's doubtful Christianity survives.
Yes, but only in Christian Europe did it explode.[There are a lot of reasons why 200 centuries had passed prior to this why science, as obvious as it is, didn't get going until Christians became engaged with natural philosophy once exposed to Aristotle.