SUPPOSE the leader of some country in a pandemic, downplayed the danger, lied, and discouraged people from wearing masks.SUPPOSE as a result about 200,000 people died instead of perhaps the 100,000 that would have died anyway.Would it be unchristian to wish on that leader the same suffering and death that he brought to so many of the country's citizens?
Harvey,Speaking roughly, 100,000 would probably have died anyway. The remaining 100,000 watched Trump not wear a mask, went to one of his rallies, or were infected by someone who did.
Sure, but the reason for 200K dead is:1) China suppressed information about the disease letting people travel internationally while rrstricting travel to other provinces.2) The previous administrations did not procure enough PPE and as a result the CDC did not recomnend, in the early days, mask wear to allow first responders to procure masks and other PPE. 3) Governor Cuomo would not allow Trump to enforse an interstate quarantine as other countries (like Italy and South Korea implemented early on).If any of these were otherwise maybe less than 10K people die. None of them are Trump's fault but 2 of 3 are Democrat fault.
You need to make a case to defend the USA very poor Covid-19 response compared to other countries, so the above two factors do not count as they were similar elsewhere.
Conservative people have opposed the wearing of masks, Trump himself has shown it throughout (this trend was/is widely reported in the media).
As for interstate travel, that is also a rather skew view that I addressed in my other response as well. The president, the federal government and the CDC have the authority to do what would have been necessary to manage the spread of the pandemic. Go and look it up. It has been widely reported on. Fauci even publicly stated that he would support the president closing down interstate travel. There are furthermore examples where both Clinton and Obama interfered in state matters when there were health issues that warranted such actions. The difference of course was that the states cooperated with them as there was mutual trust and buy-in. In this case the Democrats were at first very reluctant for Trump to interfere as they did not trust a situation where he could override them and potentially abuse such sweeping authority. In other words Trump did have the authority to intervene, but he did not have the influence as he was not trusted by some governors (I even linked an interesting comparison between what Trump said and did and what Cuomo said and did). However, as would become evident if you research this a bit further, he would have had the support a couple of weeks later into the pandemic, with Fauci's backing, to do exactly that. Instead he chose to ignore that as, at that time, he was already starting to talk about opening up the economy and about the pandemic that would simply disappear on its own by the end of April. Do you see the difference here, the difference in approach (and perhaps why he was never trusted in the first place), the difference that it might have made in the final (and ongoing) count?
I think the window of opportunity was early on, and that window was lost.
At this point we are talking past each other. Nobody is saying the USA and Trump performed miserably because of these factors that you are alluding to now, factors that were pretty much a universal logistical challenge (perhaps not on the same scale). This is not really why the USA ended up with so many more deaths.
I totally disagree. If Obama orders enough PPE, and if Trump is allowed to quarantine the growing hotspots (as Wuhan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Italy all did), the US would have had a very low number of COVID deaths. Where I blame Trump is he could have pursued PPE buildup after coming into office, and right now his administration has been very careless getting infections in the WH. But, overall he made a lot of great moves too. The latest scandal is a huge embarrassment though.