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wonderer

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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2020, 08:49:35 pm »
So, because we can expect Trump to remain a narcissistic scumbag, we should keep him in office?

I'm just pointing out a potential nightmarish scenario where we have a president who's really not qualified for the presidency in the most basic of all sense. Trump's peanut gallery will only make the situation more divisive.

If you are correct about Biden's mental state, then we are not going to have a president who is qualified for the presidency in the most basic sense, regardless of how the election turns out.  Undoubtedly Trump's peanut gallery will make the situation more divisive regardless of the outcome of the election as well.  That is no reason to keep Trump in office.

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Even minimum security prison would restrict Trump's access to Twitter, I would think.  So put Trump where he belongs, and this problem is taken care of.

You really want to invite civil unrest. I like my 401 thank you very much.

How materialistic of you.  I can't say I'm surprised, that you don't take things Jesus said all that seriously.

Of course I don't want to invite civil unrest.  Trump is the poster boy for promoting civil unrest, and you are supporting him.

But don't worry, Trump is likely to resign so that Pence can pardon him.  So Trump will remain free to foment hatred on Twitter.
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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2020, 10:00:06 pm »
I can't say I'm surprised, that you don't take things Jesus said all that seriously.

Where did Jesus say to put the opposition leader in prison to form a Banana Republic?

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Of course I don't want to invite civil unrest.  Trump is the poster boy for promoting civil unrest, and you are supporting him.

I agree with Mattis that Trump should try to unite the country but doesn't. In that sense Biden would be far better. But, like I said, the day after Trump is out of office that damage is not that serious. But, if Biden gives China an opportunity to complete their 2025/2049 agenda then we're all in serious trouble.

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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2020, 02:55:59 am »
60 million people Americans got Swine Flu under Obama-Biden. Using your logic they are responsible.
You want to compare Covid-19 with the Swine Flu, and their respective impacts on- and responses from the USA..? According to WHO the Covid-19 pandemic is like 10 times worse than what Swine Flu was and it was very quickly obvious that Covid-19 is far more deadlier, and remains potent for much longer (i.t.o. infection, spreading and recovering). If you look at the number of people who got infected by Swine Flu and who died from it compared to Covid-19 (over similar periods), then it becomes obvious that we are talking about vastly different pandemics.

As such and from what I have read, the Obama response, measured i.t.o. risk exposure, was quite adequate. In case you prefer the Trump/Republican spin on it, there are always fact checks such as this one and this one.

The last fact check above quotes various experts, among others Dr. Amesh Adalja who is an expert on emerging infectious diseases and pandemics and a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. Elsewhere he was quoted saying:
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What was the US response to swine flu compared to COVID-19?

"There were some mistakes, but it wasn't anything too consequential," Dr. Adalja says, adding that, "once public health officials realized that swine flu wasn't going to be cataclysmic, they backed down on mitigation efforts like school closures and social distancing."

But, Dr. Adalja says it's very difficult to compare the Obama administration's swine flu response to that of the Trump administration's handling of COVID-19. "Whatever faults the Obama administration had with their response to the 2009 pandemic, those are dwarfed by continual errors from the Trump administration that are continuing to this day," he says. Those include, but aren't limited to: failing to take the deadly illness seriously, slashing funding for critical public safety nets, and significantly lagging in testing during the first weeks and months of the pandemic. (Source)
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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2020, 10:34:23 am »
According to WHO the Covid-19 pandemic is like 10 times worse than what Swine Flu was and it was very quickly obvious that Covid-19 is far more deadlier, and remains potent for much longer (i.t.o. infection, spreading and recovering). If you look at the number of people who got infected by Swine Flu and who died from it compared to Covid-19 (over similar periods), then it becomes obvious that we are talking about vastly different pandemics.

No one could know the immediate impact of a virus. It's entirely possible that a virus like Swine Flu could have initiated a deadly cancer with a 80% mortality. No one knows, so you have to treat viruses as very serious and not allow them to spread. In the case of SF we were lucky that it was relatively harmless (although people did die). In the case of Covid-19 we weren't as lucky. It could have rapidly diminished with warm weather, but that didn't happen.

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"There were some mistakes, but it wasn't anything too consequential,"

Much of this has to be dealt one by one. As we found out about the supposed testing mishap by Trump that it wasn't anywhere close to being Trump's fault.

Let's just call Covid-19 for how Dems see it: a lucky break to introduce socialism in the US. That about sums it up.

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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2020, 11:16:51 pm »

I agree with Mattis that Trump should try to unite the country but doesn't. In that sense Biden would be far better. But, like I said, the day after Trump is out of office that damage is not that serious. But, if Biden gives China an opportunity to complete their 2025/2049 agenda then we're all in serious trouble.

Republican senator Ben Sasse:

"The way he [Trump] kisses dictators’ butts. I mean, the way he ignores the Uighurs, are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang. Right now, he hasn’t lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong-Kongers,” Sasse said.

“The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership, the way he treats women, spends like a drunken sailor. The ways I criticize President Obama for that kind of spending; I’ve criticized President Trump for as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He’s flirted with white supremacists"

“But the reality is that he careened from curb to curb. First, he ignored COVID. And then he went into full economic shutdown mode. He was the one who said 10 to 14 days of shutdown would fix this. And that was always wrong. I mean, and so I don’t think the way he’s lead through COVID has been reasonable or responsible, or right.”
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Re: Hypotheical question
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2020, 05:45:40 am »
No one could know the immediate impact of a virus. It's entirely possible that a virus like Swine Flu could have initiated a deadly cancer with a 80% mortality. No one knows, so you have to treat viruses as very serious and not allow them to spread. In the case of SF we were lucky that it was relatively harmless (although people did die). In the case of Covid-19 we weren't as lucky. It could have rapidly diminished with warm weather, but that didn't happen.
Many other governments around the world have learned from previous pandemics and were very successful in containing Covid-19. The Trump government apparently did not, they were not prepared. There are few excuses, hence the sentiment from those participating in the polls.
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« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2020, 07:31:48 am »
Republican senator Ben Sasse:

A lot of that I agree with. He's not the Republican candidate that I would choose to lead this nation. But, there are a lot of half-truths. For example, he pulled out of the intermediate missile agreement. Would another leader have done that? Putin was furious. He praised Xi while he increased tariffs completely wiping out a catastrophic 2025 target (you of all people should be glad because Trump probably saved your job and career),. He praised Kim while putting crippling sanctions and closing the means by which NK uses the banking system. Iran? Yes, he warms up to dictators but then is stronger against them than any American leader would for fear of starting a war. If this is the end of his administration I'll be glad for the end of his chaotic, immature style, but he made some very ballsy moves that in the end came at a critical moment. Unfortunately it will be followed up with extreme incompetence.