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Harvey

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Biden is not fit for command
« on: October 13, 2020, 03:56:59 pm »
This article says it all:

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Jackson said he was also concerned by the way Biden became visibly frustrated or angry when he got lost mid-sentence.

“As a physician I can tell you that’s a mechanism that folks that are having cognitive difficulties use to move on and to get out of a situation,” he claimed.

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AgapeFire

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Re: Biden is not fit for command
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 01:31:26 am »
*disclaimer - I did not click to read the article*

From what I've seen in Biden's televised memory gaffes and seeming "alertness" issues, he has displayed occasional minor to mild cognitive decline affecting his ability to recall identifying labels (names of people and names of places), a mixing up some historical events or people, and difficulty staying alert and focused to the conversation at hand (i.e., seeming to appear to "drift off" or look "spaced out" at times). 

It appears minor to moderate from what I can tell and is not at a stage where he cannot function at all and is in constant need of care.  He can still follow a high level conversation usually, despite these issues.  At his best, he can seemingly function with almost no appearance of decline (perhaps other than being a bit slower in speech).

Still, it's concerning in terms of his ability to carry out the duties of the Office of the Presidency.  Although, it's interesting in that the President of the U.S. is oddly not as powerful as one might think and also may not require the most intellectual demand (or technical expertise in something) as other branches or positions of government.  It's been argued that the President's main "power" is really in having a bully pulpit with which he can rally the American people and put pressure on Congress.  Perhaps his greatest real or direct power is in the ability to command the military (although not officially declare war).  He cannot make laws on his own.  He can only sign existing bills into law that have passed consent of both houses of Congress.  He can appointment people to various positions of government, but usually needing confirmation of the Senate.  And, he can issue executive orders (although, sometimes contentious in terms of their legality).  There are always checks on his power and, in a way, he lacks real broad scale direct action power.  An argument can be made that his greatest power is in the bully pulpit and using his 24/7 soap box to comment on national issues and pressure Congress into acting in the way he wants.  Biden's experience in government (as high as VP) and the nature of the Presidency may allow for a person with his level of cognitive decline to skate by.   

Unlike a position like Supreme Court Justice, Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Treasury Secretary, etc., there is not a high level of technical skill/knowledge or intellectual demand required (relatively speaking) to perform the duties of the Presidency.  Of course, there is still a tremendous amount of good moral judgment needed and also an adequate working memory and alertness to handle various domestic and foreign policy situations, but he would not need the functioning intelligence of an academic professor or the like, for example.  There are also the optics of Presidential competency, though, that may be of concern if Biden is forgetting things (in an embarrassing way) or appearing "spaced out" frequently on a national stage.  Still, from a day-to-day working perspective, he's not going to be reading through hundreds of pages of law or economics reports and having to apply rigorous technical expertise to bear upon them.

I could be wrong, but I tend to think Biden could skate by and be okay with his level of cognitive decline.  Of course, that does not mean we should hope to see someone with his condition be put into a position of having to perform the duties of the Office of the Presidency, as it's obviously not ideal, but I think he could make it work.  If not for finding Trump to be a moral monster, who has caused almost incalculable harm to the nation and someone who is even more unfit for the Presidency than Biden, I'd never want to see someone like Biden have to go through with what he's doing.  I personally wish Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders had been the Democratic nominee.

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Harvey

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Re: Biden is not fit for command
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 09:04:38 am »
I could be wrong, but I tend to think Biden could skate by and be okay with his level of cognitive decline.  Of course, that does not mean we should hope to see someone with his condition be put into a position of having to perform the duties of the Office of the Presidency, as it's obviously not ideal, but I think he could make it work.

Possibly, but in his recent town hall I could see that he had a lot of difficulty with recalling details. That might be okay if his staff gives him constant reminders, etc., but he is not going to be able to recall key details that will have slipped his mind which means he's basically a puppet. He won't be able to guide the nation through a crisis and probably will have trouble making important decisions. Plus, it's not as if Biden was good at that before. After all, he opposed killing Bin Laden. I think you and Wonderer could be right and he is able to perform the job, but I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing what he might do in crisis.

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If not for finding Trump to be a moral monster, who has caused almost incalculable harm to the nation

I just don't see the harm that you're seeing. His most important decision such as withdrawing from the intermediate missile agreement was a very ballsy one and without doing so China could have completely obliterated our fleet in the Pacific without any way to respond except by going with long distance .missiles which would be another dangerous escalation. Russia also was cheating. Not making that kind of decision is incalculable harm. Yet, I feel confident that Biden would npt have made that.

Trump has also built up a very strong ally with Israel, and that's a critical military and covert relation for the US. The China-Russia-Iran axis is growing very powerful. I think the world is far more dangerous. We need a president who will actively try to weaken that axis and not strenthen their capabilities as the Obama-Biden administration did.

Under Trump we've actually had a much better relation with Russia, and there's even signs that Russia is beginning to back away from China. The Trump administration has been very aggressive in courting India and the Quad 4 (US, Japan, India, Australia) and Russia has been reluctant to lose India as an ally. They even cancelled the missile defense system to China and offered to India instead. They even increased their troops on the China-Russia border reminding China that they won't side against India in any conflict. While Biden is speaking silly truisms on Covid19, Trump is about strategic issues that are critical to the nation.

I get that Trump is an embarrassment. But I don't see that as having any lasting impact once he leaves office. But, putting in an administration that doesn't react well to the growing international issues is not a good idea. It looks like we're going down that path, but it's going to make us weaker long term, strengthen our adversaries, and it's going to lead to more taxes. The rich will just leave if they get taxed heavily (or layoff workers), leaving the rest of us to foot the bill. It will strengthen socialism trends in the US which will lead to more problems later. Four more years of Trump, while far from ideal, would mean the only declining that will happen is in Joe Biden's home.

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Re: Biden is not fit for command
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 08:52:08 pm »
Possibly, but in his recent town hall I could see that he had a lot of difficulty with recalling details. That might be okay if his staff gives him constant reminders, etc., but he is not going to be able to recall key details that will have slipped his mind which means he's basically a puppet. He won't be able to guide the nation through a crisis and probably will have trouble making important decisions. Plus, it's not as if Biden was good at that before. After all, he opposed killing Bin Laden. I think you and Wonderer could be right and he is able to perform the job, but I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing what he might do in crisis.
A crisis situation that is complex and unfolding rapidly could test the limits of my theory and make Biden a potentially unacceptable liability to the nation.

For fun, did you have something in mind? 

I think even if he COULD lead the nation through something like that successfully, it doesn't mean that we SHOULD want him to is what I'm starting to think. 

*sigh*  . . .You're definitely making me rethink my comfort with having Biden lead this country for four years.  :)

Don't have time yet to re: other things you've written, by the way, so just doing a quick re: here.  One thing is for sure.  This is all affirming how much I dislike both candidates! 

-AF

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