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Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« on: October 25, 2020, 08:31:34 am »
This is pretty off-topic for the forum, but you guys are relatively science-minded, so I'd like to know your opinions.

I've heard Chiropractic science referred to as "pseudoscience" before, which I found surprising but kind of makes sense. Some of their methods seem a bit unorthodox. Have there been any long-term scientific studies showing a positive, neutral, or negative effect from getting care from a chiropractor? If it isn't actually helpful, why is it still legal in so many states?? Also, what's the best "real-science" equivalent to Chiropractic? (Long-term back care, eliminating back pain and spinal problems, etc.)
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2020, 02:50:00 pm »
Haha I've had this same question and did some reading on it.

Apparently the basics of chiropractics is real and undisputed. There is however alot of pseudoscientific fluff on top. Depends on the individual.

Read here: https://time.com/4282617/chiropractor-lower-back-pain/

I had hip pain (24 at the time) and I went to a chiropractor and he made me read his garbage manifesto first and proceeded to stick his finger in my mouth!!! No jokes!!!
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2020, 03:13:42 pm »
I can only speak to it anecdotally.  My father and brother swear by it. They’ve been going for years due to back problems. It seems to alleviate their pain, at least for a little while. I’ve gone myself and do feel better afterwards. Don’t know if it’s all just psychological, though. It definitely relieves stress for me much like a massage would. I tend to stay away from neck manipulations because, although rare, damage can be caused to the blood vessels leading to a stroke.
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2020, 03:21:29 pm »
This is pretty off-topic for the forum, but you guys are relatively science-minded, so I'd like to know your opinions.

I've heard Chiropractic science referred to as "pseudoscience" before, which I found surprising but kind of makes sense. Some of their methods seem a bit unorthodox. Have there been any long-term scientific studies showing a positive, neutral, or negative effect from getting care from a chiropractor? If it isn't actually helpful, why is it still legal in so many states?? Also, what's the best "real-science" equivalent to Chiropractic? (Long-term back care, eliminating back pain and spinal problems, etc.)

Yes it is total nonsense. As for why it is legal, lots of alternative medicine practices (i.e. stuff with no evidence that it works) are legal.

What you want is a qualified physiotherapist who specializes in back pain and spine problems. Probably also good to see a GP and get a referral, you might need an MRI or some such to check out how your disks etc. are doing. Some chiropractors are better than others and will do things that a physiotherapist might, rather than the woo, but you would still be better off seeing a physiotherapist.

Most common spinal and back pain problems require various sorts of exercises to strengthen and correct the muscles supporting the spine and neck. They can't be fixed in the long term by just cracking some bones etc.
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2020, 03:41:23 pm »
Haha I've had this same question and did some reading on it.

Apparently the basics of chiropractics is real and undisputed. There is however alot of pseudoscientific fluff on top. Depends on the individual.

Read here: https://time.com/4282617/chiropractor-lower-back-pain/

I had hip pain (24 at the time) and I went to a chiropractor and he made me read his garbage manifesto first and proceeded to stick his finger in my mouth!!! No jokes!!!

I suppose it depends what you mean by "the basics", but the fundamental theory behind chiropractic care is complete woo. They just happen to also do some things that kind of work sometimes.

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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2020, 10:42:18 pm »
@OrthodoxJew, Spero, and kurros --

Good stuff. Thanks for the information!
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2020, 07:03:03 pm »
It seems no different from standard deep tissue massage.
I wouldn't call it medicine or science.
I would say it's a form of physical therapy.
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2020, 08:04:19 pm »
It seems no different from standard deep tissue massage.
I wouldn't call it medicine or science.
I would say it's a form of physical therapy.

Only in a layperson sense, and I think it best not to conflate these things. Physical therapists (we call them physiotherapists in Australia) are operating based on modern scientific/medical knowledge and principles, and are a regulated profession. The same cannot be said of chiropractors in general.

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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2020, 09:09:11 am »
Hey C.Investigator, whatever you do, don’t get this done...I don’t care how good they say it may feel. LOL
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2020, 09:56:19 am »
Hey C.Investigator, whatever you do, don’t get this done...I don’t care how good they say it may feel. LOL
https://youtu.be/uE9m_zOIbBs

Thanks for giving me nightmares. xD

See, I don't understand how they can be allowed to do stuff like that if the scientific evidence shows it doesn't work.
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2020, 03:31:18 pm »
See, I don't understand how they can be allowed to do stuff like that if the scientific evidence shows it doesn't work.
For the same reason democrats are legally allowed to advocate for socialism🤣
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2020, 07:58:05 am »
Yes it is total nonsense. As for why it is legal, lots of alternative medicine practices (i.e. stuff with no evidence that it works) are legal.

What you want is a qualified physiotherapist who specializes in back pain and spine problems. Probably also good to see a GP and get a referral, you might need an MRI or some such to check out how your disks etc. are doing. Some chiropractors are better than others and will do things that a physiotherapist might, rather than the woo, but you would still be better off seeing a physiotherapist.

Most common spinal and back pain problems require various sorts of exercises to strengthen and correct the muscles supporting the spine and neck. They can't be fixed in the long term by just cracking some bones etc.
sheez..  its like i wrote this..  I agree.  In Australia, physios are allowed to work in Hospitals.... Chrios are not. Avoid.
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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2020, 12:26:38 pm »
See, I don't understand how they can be allowed to do stuff like that if the scientific evidence shows it doesn't work.
For the same reason democrats are legally allowed to advocate for socialism🤣

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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2020, 05:38:05 pm »
See, I don't understand how they can be allowed to do stuff like that if the scientific evidence shows it doesn't work.
For the same reason democrats are legally allowed to advocate for socialism🤣

In some sense, yes. Those "socialists" would be more likely to advocate for regulation of this sort of thing, whilst those others who love FREEDOM above all else, including health and happiness, are happy to let unregulated folk perform pseudo-medical procedures on whoever is gullible enough to pay for it.

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Re: Is Chiropractic Real Science?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2020, 11:26:46 pm »
A few years back, I read an article written by a Chiripractor who wrote, "we embrace the placebo effect".

Think about it though: is that a bad thing?  Many people taking placebos actually do experience positive effects.  The mind has a lot to do with healing. 

That said, in my experience Chiropractic treatment provides some short term pain relief.  It feels f-ing good. I've probably had a hundred treatments in my (not that many, for a 66 year old), and I will do it again. 

It's generally harmless, and if your insurance covers it - it's cheaper than a massage.  Go once, and see if you like it.  If you do, go back a few more times. But absolutely don't fall for their B.S. that you really need to go 3 times a week for some extended period of time.  That's a racket. 

Also: don't let them sell you additional therapies not covered by insurance.  That is a racket.  Even my niece (who is a Chiropractor in Seattle) agrees with that. 
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