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Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« on: November 03, 2020, 10:14:11 pm »
Looks like it'll go down to the wire with Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin as the big swing plays.

The mail-in ballots (to be counted later) are expected to swing Biden in those states, I believe, with PA being a close one.  Am I wrong?

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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2020, 05:21:33 am »
Looks to me like the leads are insurmountable for Trump in NC, GA, and PA.
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2020, 07:02:40 am »
Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, N Carolina, Wisconsin are all up for grabs still...
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2020, 09:44:44 am »
Looks to me like the leads are insurmountable for Trump in NC, GA, and PA.
Possibly.

Even so, Biden still has a path with Wisconsin and Michigan, where he is leading.  With mostly mail-in ballots remaining as the only votes left to count in most states, the theory is that this heavily favors Biden, as his constituents were more likely to use them.

I think Biden wins a close electoral college victory, but you can never count Trump entirely out.  :)

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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2020, 11:00:51 am »
According to the information from the Associated Press, if Biden and Trump both win in the states where they are currently leading, Biden will get exactly 270 electoral votes.  It is possible, but I think unlikely, for the mail-in ballots to flip these states for Trump. 

Unfortunately, Trump is already indicating that he will not concede and he's going to keep accusing Democrats of stealing the election through voter fraud, even though there is no evidence that this is true.  Mail-in ballots are completely legal and the Trumps themselves have even used mail-in or absentee ballots in the past and in this very election.  So, he's relying on the system to work correctly for himself, but only casting doubt on the system as a whole in order to challenge the results of the election if he loses.

That is hypocritical and corrupt.
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2020, 12:28:13 pm »
How about this evidence?

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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2020, 01:55:51 pm »
If something looks suspicious, it should certainly be investigated.  But Trump is accusing Democrats of voter fraud before any investigation.

Come on, Harvey...

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/11/fact-check-biden-did-not-go-up-138k-votes-in-michigan-with-no-change-to-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR3HgH_vsRFkO_8m4XFljpj2HtmFhERiKaFNCOF3ekYfGQ1qfyB2RGMyt7w
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2020, 06:28:22 am »
Okay. Just goes to show not to believe everything I read. You sure they weren't caught in the act? Lol.

It's possible, but unlikely.  A fraudulent update would have included at least some Trump votes to make it appear legitimate.
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2020, 08:34:26 am »
It's possible, but unlikely.  A fraudulent update would have included at least some Trump votes to make it appear legitimate.

Hopefully I'll have time to look deeper into this issue. At second glance it looks like right wing propaganda. Got to be careful of these sources (as well as from the left wing) because they tend to cover up a lot of evidence and information. It's a completely different world than philosophical and scientific sources which usually don't make the same errors as the political world. I was very frustrated with the Shroud sources too. Much of it was good but some of it was crap. I'm not use to bad sources I must admit.

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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2020, 11:13:46 am »
The only floating rumor I'm aware of that has some truth is the percentage of registered voters in Wisconsin that voted. That is straight math and around 89% which is very high.
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2020, 03:50:54 pm »
The only floating rumor I'm aware of that has some truth is the percentage of registered voters in Wisconsin that voted. That is straight math and around 89% which is very high.
Do you have a news link (from respectable source)?

I've heard something along those lines as well from my mom (but keep in mind, she thinks most criticisms of Donald Trump are fake news).  I think she was trying to tell me something like more ballots were cast in Wisconsin than there were registered voters or something like that. 

The genuinely bad Biden critiques I've seen typically have to do with mail-in ballots.  People keep pointing out that Biden's surged in many states (minus Arizona) with late vote counts and have called that suspicious.  But, that has been because Democrats (who don't want to get COVID and believe in science more) have more likely used mail-in ballots, which are counted last in most states.  The "surges" are legitimate.  It's not as if they were submitted late either.  They're simply counted "late," but all were submitted on time. 

Arizona has been the exception, where mail-in ballots are counted first - hence, you have the opposite effect of a late Trump surge. 

It's hypocritical and funny MAGA enthusiasts are saying, "Stop Counting Votes!" in Biden late-surge states, while chanting "Count the Votes!" in Trump late-surge states.  LOL! 

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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2020, 07:28:23 pm »
Trump should just concede once these numbers come in...he’s lost. I’m not seeing good evidence of fraud or any such thing, and I don’t believe his campaign has the “goods” either. If he thinks he’s taking this to SCOTUS hoping they reverse the election with him being 4,000,000+ votes down in the PV, he really is out of his mind.

That said, win or lose, the Republicans had a great night and have put themselves in a really good position for 2022.
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2020, 09:21:56 am »
Ol' Sleepy Joe has set a new record by attracting the most votes ever. No wonder Trump tweeted that they should stop the count. LOL. That must be very hard for him to swallow.. Will he concede..??
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Re: Who Do You Think Wins? Trump/Biden
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2020, 10:52:46 am »
He should definitely concede once the count is complete and the judicial branch has time to review and rule on any evidence of fraud that would have effected these results.