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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2020, 07:20:39 am »
The left is the same everywhere and for the same reasons.

A pox on the lot of them.

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2020, 07:13:08 pm »
"Hate" - really?

This tendency to heighten divisions by using overblown (and ridiculous) language is detrimental to human society and wellbeing

Story selected  by the newspaper which supported Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s (fact) and has always supported the Tories at General Elections since WW2


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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2020, 01:15:47 am »
"Hate" - really?

This tendency to heighten divisions by using overblown (and ridiculous) language is detrimental to human society and wellbeing

Story selected  by the newspaper which supported Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s (fact) and has always supported the Tories at General Elections since WW2




So you're picking on the use of one word, and the source which published the article...

Your normal rubbish I see.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 01:17:43 am by bskeptic »

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2020, 05:44:35 am »
The "one" word is in the headline - it's the key word in the headline. .

I see you quickly descend to personal insult.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 05:46:19 am by lapwing »
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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2020, 11:45:37 am »
Differences between the left and the right.

The left defines itself as "people who need to help people".

The right defines itself as "people who want to help people stop needing help"

The left doesn't believe that minorities are as capable of following the law and competing in the marketplace as whites.

The right does.

The left doesn't believe that people know how to run their own lives w/o government interference and indoctrination.

The right does.

The left is against freedom for the individual.

The right is for individual freedom.

The left doesn't feel there should be accountability for bad decisions.

The right does.

The left thinks everyone is equally capable of all things and if there aren't equal numbers then someone put his thumb on the scales.

The right thinks everyone is legally capable of trying to do all things, but not necessarily succeeding as individuals differ in interests and abilities.

The left thinks all cultures are equally valid.

The right doesn't.

The left thinks historical slavery was an evil, but only white people were to blame.

The right thinks historical slavery was an evil, but believes that the blacks who sold blacks to the slave traders as well as the muslims who enslaved more people for a longer time are as culpable (see also todays' China)

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 06:36:51 pm »
So many over generalisations in  just one post - mostly nonsense

e.g. "The left is against freedom for the individual" vs Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite
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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2020, 08:14:30 pm »
So many over generalisations in  just one post - mostly nonsense

e.g. "The left is against freedom for the individual" vs Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite

The French revolution was leftist mob action

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2020, 05:47:59 am »
The "one" word is in the headline - it's the key word in the headline. .


One word in a headline, even if arguably exaggerated, doesn't mean it's a bad piece of analysis. Rather, you're nitpicking. Language is sometimes a bit exaggerated to make a point.

That, and you're attacking a publisher rather than the content of the article. Obvious fallacy of a response.

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I see you quickly descend to personal insult.

As you're giving nothing of substance, as per normal, I just pointed this out. Yes, that's slightly personal I guess. But for the most part, it's fair to be dismissive of your post.

You're the one that started attacking sources when it means next to nothing here. So er, you can't really complain if I give you a taste of your own medicine. I quickly "descended" because you *started* on that level!

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2020, 02:11:02 pm »
The publisher selects material - in this case for a political purpose,

At least I quoted from the article - so far you have not contributed any substance from it apart from the link and that it's about the Labour Party.
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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2020, 02:49:01 pm »
So many over generalisations in  just one post - mostly nonsense

e.g. "The left is against freedom for the individual" vs Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite

The French revolution was leftist mob action

Liberty is a synonym for freedom. Glad to see you admit you were wrong.
For by one sacrifice Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being sanctified.

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"If the world refuses justice, the Christian will pursue mercy"
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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2020, 09:35:39 am »
This reminds me of problems the Democratic party had in the 1960s.  Up until the mid-60s, the party had a segregationist wing and a "liberal" wing.  After Johnson pushed through civil rights legislation, the segregationists departed. My formerly Democratic cousins in rural central Texas told me they were voting for Republicans because the "Democrats did too much for the n***ers". 
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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2020, 09:49:06 am »
"Hate" - really?

This tendency to heighten divisions by using overblown (and ridiculous) language is detrimental to human society and wellbeing

Story selected  by the newspaper which supported Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s (fact) and has always supported the Tories at General Elections since WW2


Hitler was quite popular globally in the 30s. If you were alive then, odds are you'd like him too. Jordan Peterson has good material on this.

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2020, 09:50:49 am »
Differences between the left and the right.

The left defines itself as "people who need to help people".

The right defines itself as "people who want to help people stop needing help"

The left doesn't believe that minorities are as capable of following the law and competing in the marketplace as whites.

The right does.

The left doesn't believe that people know how to run their own lives w/o government interference and indoctrination.

The right does.

The left is against freedom for the individual.

The right is for individual freedom.

The left doesn't feel there should be accountability for bad decisions.

The right does.

The left thinks everyone is equally capable of all things and if there aren't equal numbers then someone put his thumb on the scales.

The right thinks everyone is legally capable of trying to do all things, but not necessarily succeeding as individuals differ in interests and abilities.

The left thinks all cultures are equally valid.

The right doesn't.

The left thinks historical slavery was an evil, but only white people were to blame.

The right thinks historical slavery was an evil, but believes that the blacks who sold blacks to the slave traders as well as the muslims who enslaved more people for a longer time are as culpable (see also todays' China)

The right isn't a thing. It's a negation. To be right is simply to be non-left. You won't find a consistent thread across the right. But broadly speaking I think you're right here.

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Re: Modern Left Hates the Working Class?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2020, 04:46:19 am »
Hitler was certainly popular for  time in Germany and Austria - he got elected and Austrians waved swastikas when the Nazis rolled in

Less popular among the left in the UK  given how the Nazis treated socialists, trade unionists and communists.
For by one sacrifice Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being sanctified.

"Those who are still afraid of men have no fear of God, and those who have fear of God have ceased to be afraid of men"
"If the world refuses justice, the Christian will pursue mercy"
Dietrich Bonhoeffer