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Molinism and Infallibility

May 04, 2014     Time: 18:58
Molinism and Infallibility


Does Dr. Craig's views on Molinism imply that God is somehow dependent on our free choices?

Transcript Molinism and Infallibility


Kevin Harris: Molinism. If you are not up on it, what it entails, what it means, it is fascinating! Be sure that you consult some of Dr. Craig's work on it. We have podcasts on it, he's got articles on it at, and it is one of the major contributions that Dr. Craig is making to philosophy and theology. We've got lots of questions about it. Let's look at one today. This is Reasonable Faith with Dr. William Lane Craig. I'm Kevin Harris. I was in the studio not long ago with Dr. Craig and we looked at this question.

This from J. W. Wartick – we'll get you to comment on this. He says,

Travis Campbell has discussed some objections to Molinism which he felt made the position intractable. One of the first objections he presented was an objection from aseity – that is God's self-existence. According to the doctrine of divine aseity God does not rely upon anything else for God's existence. Now Molinism classically holds that God surveys the realm of possible worlds prior to the creative act and so sees all possibilities related to free creaturely choices. Then God creates the world God desires.

How about that definition so far?

Dr. Craig: I think that is fine. I would define divine aseity as being God's self-existence, that is to say, God is the only uncreated being. But I would accept what he says. God does not rely upon anything else for his existence.

Kevin Harris:

Campbell argued that this undermines God's aseity because it makes God dependent upon creatures for omniscience – one of God's essential attributes. The argument, if sound, has great force. After all, if Molinism means one must deny an essential attribute of God, there is a pretty serious difficulty with the doctrine. But does it? Campbell cited Dr. William Lane Craig, a leading proponent of Molinism, as admitting that Molinism entails that God's knowledge at least is in some sense dependent upon creaturely choices. From what I have read of WLC, I've found it seems he frequently makes it appear as though Molinism presents God as able to choose among any parts of possible worlds to construct whatever possible world God wants. Not correct, but possibly also not Craig's actual view. Perhaps Craig is only making it seem thus when he discusses Molinism in summary. What I am getting at is that I am not convinced Craig is as consistent a Molinist as, well, Molina or in modern times Thomas P. Flint.

Dr. Craig: [laughter] Yes, well, I think you could ask Tom Flint whether or not I have consistently expounded Molinism. I think that any difficulty here is due to misunderstanding on Campbell or Wartick's part.

When I talk of possible worlds, Kevin, I use possible worlds only as a sort of heuristic device; a useful tool for talking about possibility and necessity. But as you know from my work on divine aseity, I don't think there are any such things as possible worlds. I don't think they are abstract objects that confront God. Indeed, my contemporary work is that abstract objects just do not exist. I take an anti-realist position on abstract objects. So I am zealous to preserve God's unique aseity and would not in any way think that there are uncreated possible worlds that confront God and exist independently of him.

It is also inaccurate to say that God chooses among parts of possible worlds to construct whatever possible world God wants. I think that is just a confusion and I've never said anything like that. What the Molinist does is distinguish between logically possible worlds and worlds which are feasible for God to actualize given the true counterfactuals of creaturely freedom that there are. On Molinism, God does not determine the truth value of these counterfactuals of creaturely freedom, that is to say, hypothetical conditionals about how creatures would behave if they were in a particular set of circumstances. I think for some persons that gives the appearance of making God dependent upon creatures in some way because he does not unilaterally determine the truth value of those counterfactuals any more than he determines volitionally the truth value of necessary truths of logic, for example.[1] So necessary truths and counterfactuals of creaturely freedom on the Molinist scheme are explanatorily prior to God's decree to create a certain world, and, given the counterfactuals of creaturely freedom that happen to be true, there will be a certain range of possible worlds which are not feasible for God to create. But none of these things actually exists on an anti-realist view. These are just ways of talking; it is a façon de parler - a way of speaking or a heuristic device for talking about modal notions.

Kevin Harris: He continues,

Now for the claim itself, I do not think it follows that God is actually dependent upon creaturely choices. If it follows from Molinism that God is dependent in that way then it must also be true of any view which holds to foreknowledge whatsoever. In fact, this is where I have pretty serious bones to pick with any view which denies comprehensive foreknowledge. Unless I am much mistaken (which is quite possible) the realm of possible worlds is a set of necessary truths. That is, each possible world is a complete set of all true propositions for the entire history of that world. But if that is the case then Molinism is no different on God's creative activity than any other view of creation, for God is simply selecting one from a set of possible worlds.

Dr. Craig: I take it that what he is trying to say here is that just as counterfactuals of creaturely freedom are independent of God's will, so necessary truths (for example, truths of logic, or perhaps mathematics) are independent of God's will. It is not as though God made it up that 2+2=4. This is something that is necessary and doesn't depend upon God's will. On the Molinist scheme, that is quite right to say that. These are not truths which are dependent upon God's volition. Now, some theists will find that unacceptable. That doesn't make God's existence dependent upon anything because at this point nothing exists other than God. It is not as though there are possible worlds or creatures that exist. We are talking purely in terms of a kind of explanatory power for what God knows. It is true on Molinism that God does not determine by his will which necessary truths are true or which counterfactuals of creaturely freedom are true.

Kevin Harris: He says,

There is debate over how such a set of possible worlds might be populated – does a set of possible worlds come from God or is it simply a set of necessary truths? Whatever one's answer for this, it remains clear to me that Molinism is not defective in this area. The Molinist simply holds that God selects a possible world from the set of possible worlds.

Dr. Craig: If I might interrupt at that point. That is not quite right. I think what this fellow is failing to see is that there is a proper subset of the set of possible worlds which is feasible for God. There are worlds that are possible in and of themselves but they are not feasible for God to create or actualize given the counterfactuals of creaturely freedom that are true. So the unique contribution of Molinism here is seeing this differentiation between worlds that are possible and worlds that are feasible for God to actualize. If one doesn't understand that distinction, one hasn't even begun to understand Molinism.

Kevin Harris:

The fact that the Molinist emphasizes that these possible worlds include free choices is essentially a moot point so far as aseity is concerned.

Dr. Craig: Let me emphasize again – so far as aseity is concerned, as long as you are an anti-realist about these possible worlds and propositions and things like that, there can be no challenge to divine aseity because these things just don't exist. What is real is God and everything other than God is created by him. I think there is a confusion here between perhaps the debate over divine aseity and the debate over divine sovereignty. On Molinism, there is no threat to aseity so long as one is an anti-realist, but some people would perceive a threat to sovereignty in the sense that it is not up to God which counterfactuals of creaturely freedom are true.[2] That is independent of his will. So they would see that as compromising God's sovereignty. He doesn't unilaterally determine the truth value of all of these contingent truths. So some people would not like that. But that is not a challenge to aseity; that would be a challenge to sovereignty if anything.

Kevin Harris: Yeah. Many just see Molinism period as a challenge to God's sovereignty.

Dr. Craig: I think the Molinist would just simply say that God is sovereign in the sense that he is free to actualize whatever world he chooses to that it is logically possible for him to actual. But it is logically impossible to actualize an infeasible world. That is like asking him to actualize a married bachelor. So it is no infringement upon omnipotence. So the Molinist would claim that he doesn't posit any non-logical limitation on God's power. Thomas Flint (mentioned before) in fact co-authored an article with Alfred Freddoso called “Maximal Power” in which they defended God's having maximal power or omnipotence from a Molinist perspective.[3] The inability to actualize an infeasible world doesn't put any non-logical limit upon God's power.

Kevin Harris: Dr. Wartick just says,

The bottom line is Campbell has failed to make a compelling argument against Molinism from aseity. In order for his argument to be successful, he would have to show that Molinism's view of possible worlds is somehow radically different from any other position, and then also demonstrate that Molinism's view also necessarily makes God dependent upon creaturely freedom.

Dr. Craig: All right. Now here again I think there is the confusion between aseity and sovereignty. If we are talking about aseity, what the detractor of Molinism would have to show is that God is dependent for his existence upon some other entity. Or he would have to show that there is some other entity that actually exists that is uncreated by God. Clearly, the Molinist isn't committed to the existence of such things. But I suspect what Campbell is really worried about is not aseity but sovereignty – that it makes God dependent upon creaturely freedom. In one sense, creaturely freedom does limit God's ability to actualize worlds. There will be possible worlds that are infeasible for God to create given the counterfactuals of creaturely freedom that are true.

Kevin Harris: Again, they are not logically impossible for God to create but they are not feasible for God to create.

Dr. Craig: It is logically impossible for God to actualize an infeasible world. That is a logically impossible feat. But the world in and of itself is logically consistent and logically possible.

Kevin Harris: He continues,

It seems to me that although perhaps not all Molinists hold that God does generate the set of possible worlds, it is entirely possible for Molinists to consistently hold that this is the case. The set of possible worlds is dependent upon God. If that is true, Campbell's argument fails. I conclude that Campbell's argument fails because it is both incomplete and unsound.

Dr. Craig: Here, again, it seems to me he is raising extraneous issues. He seems to want to say that somehow God generates the set of possible worlds. It is dependent upon God. I take it that he means not ontologically but that somehow necessary truths are determined by God's will – that God decides that 2+2 should equal 4 rather than 2+2 should equal 5. There have been some theists that hold to that – DeCartes comes to mind. But the vast majority of theists haven't adopted such a position that necessary truths are dependent upon God's will. They would root them, rather, in God's nature, but not in his will. So while I agree with him that it is possible that there could be some Molinist who would hold to this kind of Cartesian view or universal possibilism or something of that sort – that anything could be necessary or possible – that is really an outlier position that very few theists, I think, would want to embrace.[4] I think the more important point is that on Molinism there is no non-logical limit placed upon God's powers (which is the usual definition of omnipotence) and that there is no entity that exists independently of God and is self-existent as God is. Therefore, Molinism is consistent with God's aseity and sovereignty.

Kevin Harris: We have a blog referring to your radio interview on the UK's Unbelievable where you discuss Molinism, Dr. Craig. From James Anderson of his blog Analogical Thoughts.[[5] In responding to that, Anderson says,

It should be clear . . . that according to the Molinist view there are possible worlds in which God’s plans fail. For the Molinist is committed to the claim that although God knows that S would choose A in C, and he actualizes C because he plans for S to choose A, it is nonetheless possible for S not to choose A in C. (Craig clearly affirm this point a couple of times in his exchange with Helm.) In other words, there are possible worlds in which God actualizes C so that S will choose A, but S doesn’t choose A. There are possible worlds in which God’s eternal decree doesn’t come to pass, because libertarian-free agents do otherwise than he had planned.

The upshot is this: on the Molinist view there are some possible worlds in which God is fallible. Indeed there are many, many such worlds. Any world in which God’s plans fail is a world in which God is fallible. It seems to me that this conclusion is built in to the Molinist system.

Dr. Craig: Well, I think he has made a misstep in his argument here. It certainly is true that in any particular freedom-permitting circumstances an agent is free to do other than as God knows he will do. But in that other world in which the agent does something different, God's plans wouldn't be the same! What this fellow doesn't seem to remember is that in that world God would have different plans. God would know in that world that S would do something different in C and so in that world he would have plans for that to happen. So what he has tried to do is keep God's plans firm and fixed from world to world but then vary the value of the counterfactuals, and you can't do that. If you switch to a world in which S does not do A in C then you can't say, “Well, in that world God's plans are that S would do A in C.” No, no! In that world, God would have different plans. So when you switch the truth value of the counterfactuals you've got to switch the providential plans as well because the providential plans are based upon the counterfactuals that are true in those worlds! So given that God's plans are based upon what he knows the free agents would do, the plans will change from world to world along with the decisions of the agents. So there is just not any problem. God 's plans never fail and he is not fallible.

Kevin Harris: So the contradictory notion that comes up in this is that God knows that this person will do this but then that person is free and that person didn't do what God knew he would do.

Dr. Craig: And that is a contradiction as you say. That would be to deny divine omniscience. If the person were to fail to do it, then God would have known that and so would have planned accordingly.

Kevin Harris: OK. I've got to take some aspirin![6]